Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

This post is indicative of someone having entered into the orbit of, and being sucked down into, a very large conspiracy vortex.

No, but such factors can point to the atmosphere of the cultural milieu in which one lives.

Pot. Kettle. Black..comes to mind.

Read the article; it seems to be based on a lot more than that.

There are quite determined efforts online to pin this crime on various different groups. I don't think enough is known just yet but IF it is true he has a close trans friend and IF it is true that the US far right are anti trans (which I think it is - not in a gender critical way but in a gender enforcing way) then it would tend to rule out badging this as a far right crime.

Absolutely - it's a long list - GPs, politicians, medical researchers.

IF this is true then it may point to a possible motive. IF TR was gay and was bought up in a religious conservative household then it will have had a negative impact on his Mental Health.
I imagine being gay is incredibly difficult in families like that

I live in the UK. My dc attends cadets, where she has learned to shoot a rifle. And she enjoys it as she’s a good shot. She’s also pretty good at clay pigeon shooting. We are not republicans.

I don’t think you can diagnose political belief or bigotry or anything else from the fact that someone is a good marksman. In the US, particularly in the southern states, guns are a massive part of the culture. Personally, I think that US gun laws are unhinged but that’s beside the point - it’s pretty normal to own a gun there and pretty normal to be a decent shot, particularly if you hunt.

Why spread misinformation like this?

As a society I do think we need to talk about the fact that many vulnerable young people, with additional needs such as ASD or depression/aspergers etc have been lied to by medical professional.....lied to by people older than them, lied to by their very teachers in school and been told they are trans, when they are actually just struggling to fit in with societal expectations of how to be a male or female. These young people have been subject to surgeries and hormones which aren't helping them....they are angry and they have guns. Some have extreme views and wish death to people who are just telling the truth.

The OP is unsubstantiated gossip. Until actual, solid, reliable information comes out, it's irresponsible to spread such rumours. The fact the Sunday Times and other mention "reports of" without backing it up is no evidence of it's truth or untruth. It's just speculation by a relative of a flatmate, as sexed up by a tabloid for more sensational headlines.

The Mossad conspiracy theory is a whole new level of batshit.

It's quite scary that there are people out there believing this kind of conspiracy theory bollocks.

It was only a matter of time that some anti semite conspiracy theorist nutjob tried to point the finger at Israel over CK assassination.

This is why there are cases of actual or attempted political assassinations (from left and right).

Fuck me dead!

‘It's highly, highly unlikely some random trans person developed the skills to be able to shoot a sniper gun from half a KM away from a rooftop. You need years and years of military training to achieve that sort of aim.’

Who told you that?
All the experts I have read online/people in RL with a little firearms experience have agreed it was an easy shot which could have been done by a relative novice. A 20 year old with many years experience hunting, no problem.

Infuriating bullshit? And then you come up with your own crazy anti-Israel conspiracy theory.

It's about the motive, @maximc . Having a trans partner or roommate and shooting him when he is discussing trans crime would suggest his motive was driven by trans ideology.

No one is demonising 'trans' people. We have a hatred of males taking our rights away and entering our HARD WON single sex spaces, @LittleAlexHornesPocket .

MALES. Whether they are in a suit and tie, or in a dress. It's still MALE.

You really have absolutely no idea whatsoever what we are upset about. You think 'trans' people are a separate species or something, so therefore exempt from societal rules and expectations. They are MALE. Regardless of what they wear.

As I said on previous thread

This shooting would therefore fit with patterns of radicalisation akin to religion, it would fit with a right wing gun culture, it would fit with youth disaffection with mainstream politics, it would fit with difficult online communities which are out of sight from authorities, it would fit with the lone, quiet gunman AND it would fit with uncontrolled and unchallenged purity spirals within left wing politics.

But I doubt you'll see many people reflect on all these patterns, instead they'll focus on whichever element best fits their agenda.

I think we have a perfect storm scenario that's only growing. I suspect we will see others from other areas as youth disaffection grows and anger at the establishment rises. Historical data shows revolutions and civil unrest is much more common with high youth unemployment / underemployment and declining standards of living regardless of political affiliation. It's important we look at this from all angles.

I'd also add alienation from your traditional community to the list and being part of a death cult feeling like it was under threat tbh.

My point being there will be no one reason, but a build up of multiple ones which are as difficult for the right to reconcile with themselves as it will be for the left meaning the likely result will be to lash out at the other rather to reflect on the elements from their own sphere of influence.

What is clear to me in this case is however you cut it, and I think this is true of every shooter, is they they are a product of BOTH their upbringing and the influences they come across later.

It is crucial to understanding this that being from a Mormon conservative background which was right wing and heavily invested in guns was as crucial as a left wing radicalisation and potentially gay/trans partner and BOTH are highly likely to have contributed to the killers mindset and this is an unavoidable reality that pretty much no one wants to acknowledge. The possibility of a trans element is only one strand of a bigger picture and it is not this alone which is the problem if it is proven.

As it stands, there a lot of speculation on twitter going through Lance's online presence from user names, forums and associates which do suggest he was furry/trans but I am still taking with a degree of a pinch of salt at this stage. There's nothing I find wholly trustworthy at this point. And this doesn't mean he's involved.

And we can't forget the question that was asked immediately before Kirk was shot. That question isn't going away.

What I would say is there is something of a problem for trans people in Utah right now because on top of the above and the speculation around it there seems to be one account linked to Lance saying 'we did it' in reference to Kirk, another Utah trans account saying the day before that they hoped Kirk would be evaporated and that something big would happen the next day and a third trans account from someone in Utah linked to a song put online a month ago called 'Charlie Kirk dead at 31'. Given the sheer amount of threats and wishing for the death of political opponents maybe we shouldn't read much into this, because it's been so widely accepted within communities as to become noise rather than something more sinister. This is why putting a load of threats online isn't a great move because you can't predict the future and you might end up caught in a situation with your metaphorical dick hanging out in public.

These apparent threats are naturally raising some eyebrows after the fact about a wider potential conspiracy rather a lone gunman idea. I think this perception is actually going to be really hard to shift even if it's a load of nonsense and pure coincidence. Because even if it is noise it's still normalised and in the background.

I don't think for one second that the FBI won't be all over this angle, looking through discord and anyone remotely linked to both Lance and Tyler though because if it is right it has somewhat significant implications about how they handle the case.

But they have to be right. If they get it wrong there are some very genuinely vulnerable trans people at significant risk at this point.

It's a mess. There are going to be innocent people caught up in the fallout out from this and it's naive to suggest otherwise.

As much as I think trans is bollocks and there's a lot of very questionable individuals who identify as trans I am, and have always been, concerned about vulnerable individuals especially young kids who have been mislead, groomed and otherwise lied to about being trans and the implications of that. This incident will affect perceptions regardless of the truth and what comes out in time.

It sucks for everyone concerned tbh.

I'm gender critical & I think it's totally irrelevant that an alleged criminal has a friend or partner who may identify as trans, unless it's proven they were involved. The alleged killer & the friend may have agreed Kirk had hateful views re LGBT+ people, which is a lawful opinion, but that doesn't mean the friend knew about or would encourage a plan to harm Kirk.

Or just the whole of American society 🤷🏻‍♀️

let’s face it there’s a lot of gun owners, hunters, etc who don’t murder people. I do think there should be gun control but I don’t think you can blame the parents when it’s so mainstream.

Looks like the comment your replying to has gone right over your head.

I knew someone was going to say that…

Hunting deer in the US is a facet of wildlife management. Most of the apex predators have been made locally extinct, which leaves humans as the only apex predators who can stop the deer overgrazing and then starving.

Therefore hunters are licensed to cull a certain number of deer each year. They are expected to take the deer carcasses home and eat them.

If you’re vegetarian, fine, but even so I would expect you’d see the point of teaching a child that the meat on their table came from killing a living creature.

it was that they innocently taught their child exactly how to shoot a live target at a distance

no one innocently teaches their child to kill things….not for one second comparing animals to humans but thats not ‘innocent’

‘May have’ and ‘sounds like’ are not good enough reasons to start sharing your own theories. Don’t make things up, they could be true the could not be true but why not wait for the facts to come out instead of putting ideas out there when you know no one involved.