Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

I think this is being spread due to the fact he was a Republican white bloke. They desperately wanted him to be a POC that they have to spin the narrative.

It is a leisure activity for him. He has money. My dad hunted for a leisure activity. Americans go to a shooting range for fun. They also have guns to protect themselves.

You don't get it, Britain and Ireland are manicured, nil dangerous animals. In America there is the wild. if you go in the woods you need to know about poisonous snakes, spiders, bears, moose, cougars, etc., depending where you are. And you need to be equipped and prepared or you could die. British people seem soft to me.

I wondered about this given his views. The fact that he was asked about trans gun crime immediately before it seems very engineered. Even the way this person was turned in to the authorities in such a wholesome American family and helpful pastor way it seems decidedly off

Does it? I didn’t realise there was a Sunday Guardian….

What is the absolute obsession with trans issues on Mumsnet? I don’t think men can be women, but for gods sake, get a grip.

Yes, but that is different to hunting as a leisure activity.

The whole thing is off. The incredible preciseness of the shot, the madness of the celebrations, the sackings, the 'was it Mossad or a right wing furry' confusion.

The whole thing is off. The incredible preciseness of the shot, the madness of the celebrations, the sackings, the 'was it Mossad or a right wing furry' confusion.

I have a friend who grew up poor in Appalachia, he's now an educated, liberal, white collar university bureaucrat. He goes turkey hunting and fishing with the bros. And he cleans, guts and cooks the meat and fish. Regular Americans value these kind of self-sufficient skills. We had a frontier mentality, where you have to count on yourself.

Yes, he spoke about Epstein's probable Mossad links.

I'm not sure that people in Britain are so much into the idea of killing animals for fun; which is why hunting with dogs was banned. Though we still have the abomination of grouse shooting etc...where people blow creatures out of the sky for enjoyment

What is the absolute obsession with trans issues on Mumsnet? I don’t think men can be women, but for gods sake, get a grip.

May have been lovers, and sounds like he knew ahead of time that it was going to happen.

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

I grew up in a city, my father liked to hunt so I grew up around guns. I learned about gun safety and responsibility.
I was not into hunting but my dad liked skeet shooting, and he took us. Americans like such things, marksmanship, going to a gun range. If I were still there I'd have a gun for safety.
America is big and vast. You can go hunting, shooting for fun without a problem. I think crowded Britain and Europe don't get that.

Innocently means ‘not guilty of a crime or offence’ or ‘without responsibility for or direct involvement in an event yet suffering its consequences’.

That is, the parents were not guilty of any crime or offence when they taught their child how to hunt, nor were they directly involved in their son’s decision to use those skills to murder someone.

I think you’re getting confused by the difference in meaning between the adverb and the adjective.

As I said on previous thread

This shooting would therefore fit with patterns of radicalisation akin to religion, it would fit with a right wing gun culture, it would fit with youth disaffection with mainstream politics, it would fit with difficult online communities which are out of sight from authorities, it would fit with the lone, quiet gunman AND it would fit with uncontrolled and unchallenged purity spirals within left wing politics.

But I doubt you'll see many people reflect on all these patterns, instead they'll focus on whichever element best fits their agenda.

I think we have a perfect storm scenario that's only growing. I suspect we will see others from other areas as youth disaffection grows and anger at the establishment rises. Historical data shows revolutions and civil unrest is much more common with high youth unemployment / underemployment and declining standards of living regardless of political affiliation. It's important we look at this from all angles.

I'd also add alienation from your traditional community to the list and being part of a death cult feeling like it was under threat tbh.

My point being there will be no one reason, but a build up of multiple ones which are as difficult for the right to reconcile with themselves as it will be for the left meaning the likely result will be to lash out at the other rather to reflect on the elements from their own sphere of influence.

What is clear to me in this case is however you cut it, and I think this is true of every shooter, is they they are a product of BOTH their upbringing and the influences they come across later.

It is crucial to understanding this that being from a Mormon conservative background which was right wing and heavily invested in guns was as crucial as a left wing radicalisation and potentially gay/trans partner and BOTH are highly likely to have contributed to the killers mindset and this is an unavoidable reality that pretty much no one wants to acknowledge. The possibility of a trans element is only one strand of a bigger picture and it is not this alone which is the problem if it is proven.

As it stands, there a lot of speculation on twitter going through Lance's online presence from user names, forums and associates which do suggest he was furry/trans but I am still taking with a degree of a pinch of salt at this stage. There's nothing I find wholly trustworthy at this point. And this doesn't mean he's involved.

And we can't forget the question that was asked immediately before Kirk was shot. That question isn't going away.

What I would say is there is something of a problem for trans people in Utah right now because on top of the above and the speculation around it there seems to be one account linked to Lance saying 'we did it' in reference to Kirk, another Utah trans account saying the day before that they hoped Kirk would be evaporated and that something big would happen the next day and a third trans account from someone in Utah linked to a song put online a month ago called 'Charlie Kirk dead at 31'. Given the sheer amount of threats and wishing for the death of political opponents maybe we shouldn't read much into this, because it's been so widely accepted within communities as to become noise rather than something more sinister. This is why putting a load of threats online isn't a great move because you can't predict the future and you might end up caught in a situation with your metaphorical dick hanging out in public.

These apparent threats are naturally raising some eyebrows after the fact about a wider potential conspiracy rather a lone gunman idea. I think this perception is actually going to be really hard to shift even if it's a load of nonsense and pure coincidence. Because even if it is noise it's still normalised and in the background.

I don't think for one second that the FBI won't be all over this angle, looking through discord and anyone remotely linked to both Lance and Tyler though because if it is right it has somewhat significant implications about how they handle the case.

But they have to be right. If they get it wrong there are some very genuinely vulnerable trans people at significant risk at this point.

It's a mess. There are going to be innocent people caught up in the fallout out from this and it's naive to suggest otherwise.

As much as I think trans is bollocks and there's a lot of very questionable individuals who identify as trans I am, and have always been, concerned about vulnerable individuals especially young kids who have been mislead, groomed and otherwise lied to about being trans and the implications of that. This incident will affect perceptions regardless of the truth and what comes out in time.

It sucks for everyone concerned tbh.

Does it? I didn’t realise there was a Sunday Guardian….