Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

Some of us have kids at risk of being radicalised into this shit, it’s not only about self ID and single sex spaces, it’s much bigger than that.

I think the relevance will become apparent if you view the comment made earlier this evening by @TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown and my reply (time stamp 20:51) along with the attached YouTube video. The SLC group are mentioned towards the end of the video, but I would advise watching it in its entirety to get the full picture.

I'm not part of any cause. I am GC. I also believe that people underestimate the extremely violent streak in some parts of the transgender community, and downplay the risks of the combo of mental illness and a persecution complex. So-called "trantifa" groups are a growing problem that should be acknowledged and addressed (I didn't make up that term). This SLC group is not an isolated fringe group.

I think this desperation to continually find dirt on trans people actually undermines the very valid points about self ID and women's rights and just makes a lot of GC people look a bit demented and bigoted tbh. It's not helpful to the cause.

I'm not sure what relevance that has to the wider transgender community though even if true? The suffragettes were way more violent than the trans lobby yet we don't paint all feminists as violent even though many still regard the suffragettes as heroes.

I think we should acknowledge that some trans people may want these for genuine self-defence (not preemptive reaction to non-existent 'genocide'). While the scale of trans hate crimes is vastly exaggerated, they do exist and are more likely to be vulnerable for other reasons: poverty (we know here many kids in care have been made to think they are trans), mental health issues, sexual abuse history, abusive parents...

This murder in particular is one that made me think about this again. (TW : terrible violence)

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Sam_Nordquist&ved=2ahUKEwi8uY2cn9mPAxWn0QIHHaaKAbUQFnoECCEQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0iMca7579hLqJYg37Afq2J

A poster I saw on another thread said her sister had bipolar disorder but had used a gun to protect herself from a violent ex & she thus opposed mentally ill people being forbidden from guns.

I don't know what I think.. surely most dangerous trans people have other comorbid mental health conditions aside from being trans?

Ir's difficult as in my gut I feel bipolar & other similar illnesses are grounds to not be allowed a gun. But at the same time I worry people w these are more likely to be targeted.

I would also be a bit careful of automatically agreeing that people w mental issues should be forbidden guns due to he history this has had to silence people.. We know the history of women being confined to lunatic asylums or diagnosed as hysterical often on spurious grounds/to cover up abuse.

Likewise we know that until 1970s homosexuality was considered a mental disorder by the DSM, and according to one measurement still was until the 1990s (I think the WHO, but need to check). Many US conservative Christians, as well as mainstream right wingers like Ben Shapiro & arguably Charlie Kirk (well he did compare having gay relationships to alcohol/drug addiction) still argue that it is. What if they in the future potential were able tp decide to stop gay people having guns as they're all by default mentally ill? This is ovvs v hypothetical, but I don't think we should ignore these questions as impossible.

Moreover, we know there is a huge issue of overdiagnosis now, arguably driven by Big Pharma. Could this also play a role in a potential future government diagnosing protestors as 'mentally ill' and disarming them?

This is the reason, I've read, that the NRA is wary of mental health restrictions, and while on one level I disagree strongly, on another I see what they are worried about.

I don't want to force team and say these issues are the same as trans, bc they're not. But I do think there are other aspects to be considered before we agree that all mentally ill people should be forbidden guns.

And I do think there are quite a few trans people who want them for actual defence (not attack) reasons, and have genuine reasons to worry. If they must be disarmed (which they probs do) can thry be protected some other way.

Evidence has emerged that suggests Robinson is affiliated with the Armed Queers of Salt Lake City.

This is so absolutely relevant. Thank you for sharing this.

In some ways I'll be glad if this leads to more people realising how much of an actually violent thread runs through the trans movement.

I think many normal people assume something like trans = lefties = soft = (either losers or poor misunderstood victims, depending on one's politics).

But "trantifa" type groups are very common, a completely accepted subculture, a militant wing that receives tacit approval because "it's a genocide and we need to defend ourselves". Go to any trans subreddit/discord and you'll find discussions between trans people (males nearly always) about learning how to shoot, where to get guns, etc. It is more and more popular. Just because they are "leftist" doesn't mean they are anti-gun.

Guns + loose grip on reality (believing you're a woman when you're a man) + fear of persecution being stoked by the media = really bad combination.

@thatsthewayitis As far as I know, US gun people routinely own guns designed for war combat, rather than the culling of animals in the wild. Essentially, the US gun culture is way out of control, when barely a day goes by without kids being slaughtered at school or at church or whatever. Then after the thoughts and prayers, it's let's just carry on as normal with guns. It's fucked.

This is unhinged bullshit and you should be ashamed of yourself but you won't be.

American city gun culture and American rural gun culture are pretty different tho, like the gun that was used to kill Charlie Kirk wouldn’t be much use in a bank robbery or a gang hit, nor would it be much use to defend one’s home from an intruder.

Most of the gun ownership in American cities has got nothing to do with hunting snakes and so on, though, has it?People shoot at rifle ranges and with clay pigeons as a lesiure activity in Britain too."Soft" has got nothing to do with it. It is just a cultural difference.

There has never been a gun culture in the U.K, except for within criminal drug gangs; whereas guns have been there from the very start in the U.S. Weren't millions of buffalo/bison slaughtered with guns, as well as indigenous tribes as the frontiersmen made their way across the landmass?

Sorry, are you trying to say that somehow Mossad worked on his parents and got them to turn their own son in for something you think he didn’t do?

There are several really batshit posts on this thread.

And it astroturfs it into AI and google

This might be of interest.

There’s a very telling reference to that group you have named.

So, apparently a Utah based group who describe themselves as protestors against fascism/are Antifa-esque are called ‘The Armed Queers of Salt Lake City’

Year old article from a local paper

https://dailyutahchronicle.com/2024/08/11/griffee-armed-queers-protect-radical-leftism/

I’ve no evidence that Robinson was part of this movement but it’s interesting that the local ‘Queers’ are pro gun rather than pro gun control. They definitely wouldn’t like commentators like Charlie Kirk advocating for trans people to be banned from purchasing firearms…

@EasternStandard

Quite simply because in the hope that if you repeat the lie enough then some people will believe it and others will start to have doubts. Then more people repeat it and before long it enters into mainstream views.

Just look at the conspiracy theories on Princess Diana or 9/11.

You've not seen the masked men in black including face masks and their behaviour towards women who dare to say words in public then?

When I've seen that that it was said to be antifa not neonazis. Though violent yobs in black with masks on are easily confused with other violent yobs in black with masks on.

You've not seen the masked men in black including face masks and their behaviour towards women who dare to say words in public then?

The trans identifying female convicted of terrorism offences in Edinburgh was also a racist neo-Nazi supporter

Gosh that's a new overlap on me. I'm afraid (or maybe that should be happy) I don't know a lot about what neo-Nazis get up to apart from marching around looking sinister bit. I assume they're racist; but are scottish neo-Nazis scottish nationalists or do they want the world taken over by a german empire?

The trans identifying female convicted of terrorism offences in Edinburgh was also a racist neo-Nazi supporter

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyj2g5l1g2o

The Mormon Community has an issue with Gay People, never mind Trans, at the best of times. There's still a huge amount of homophobia. There's been a lot about this over the last few years, much publicised by Imagine Dragons who talk about generational clashes over the subject.

It amused me that so many Mormon families will be having earnest discussions over 'what is a furry?' this week.

Latest from BBC

Suspect in Charlie Kirk shooting not cooperating with authorities, Utah governor says - BBC News

are people still saying he’s a republican? someone who wanted charlie kirk dead, who had a transwoman partner, (verified today by the Utah State governor) who pulled the trigger at the exact moment Kirk responded to a trans question. Yeah, just a coincidence. I’m sure.

Short from Hunter Kozak (the man who asked the gun question) posted on TikTok and replicated on YouTube by the Daily Mail:

https://youtube.com/shorts/v9jhDmQeY_A?si=JSuYgRBoV5G17Tfm

Long interview with a YouTuber: