Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

Are you calling my daughter a liar? Or her class mates?

This school allows males into female changing spaces, right now, with no more info than they say they are. Please read the discussion links I provided.

Also read the inclusion kit.

Sorry, what is a RINO? I’ve seen it before but don’t actually know what it stands for. Republican something?

Sorry, what is a RINO? I’ve seen it before but don’t actually know what it stands for. Republican something?

Interestingly, to get back to Utah, in 2022 Governor Cox vetoed HB11 which would have banned transgender youth from participating in high school sports.

Also interestingly Charlie Kirk had publicly spoken out against Governor Cox in this regard.

I’ve noticed many Americans online stating they regard him as a RINO.

Fair enough, I’d be very surprised if what they are proposing aren’t single sex spaces AND neutral spaces as well as accessible changing/toileting that can be used by anyone that is uncomfortable for any reason

Interestingly, to get back to Utah, in 2022 Governor Cox vetoed HB11 which would have banned transgender youth from participating in high school sports.

Also interestingly Charlie Kirk had publicly spoken out against Governor Cox in this regard.

I’ve noticed many Americans online stating they regard him as a RINO.

Not without outing the school no and given the legal situation, I can;t . However you can read the trans inclusion toolkit all brighton schools follow

https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/schools-and-learning/support-school/trans-inclusion-schools-toolkit-2024

It's clearly a safeguarding issue

I just can’t think of a single real world example of when my privacy, safety or dignity have been jeopardised by a trans person. There’s a lot of buzz words that I can see would make me very angry if I subscribed to the belief that trans people are less than or if I was generally a more vulnerable and fearful person, which is where I think this debate falls apart. The fight seems to be had under the guise of a reasonable request and with the assertion that this is very regularly denied in the real world - it’s not, nor is there an actual real thread of it being, so I think we can probably just leave trans people alone

Could you signpost me towards the schools written policy on this?

I just can’t think of a single real world example of when my privacy, safety or dignity have been jeopardised by a trans person. There’s a lot of buzz words that I can see would make me very angry if I subscribed to the belief that trans people are less than or if I was generally a more vulnerable and fearful person, which is where I think this debate falls apart. The fight seems to be had under the guise of a reasonable request and with the assertion that this is very regularly denied in the real world - it’s not, nor is there an actual real thread of it being, so I think we can probably just leave trans people alone

My daughter's changing rooms. Today. Secondary school.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404868-single-sex-changing-spaces-in-a-brighton-secondary-school-new-school-year-new-thread?page=1

I just can’t think of a single real world example of when my privacy, safety or dignity have been jeopardised by a trans person. There’s a lot of buzz words that I can see would make me very angry if I subscribed to the belief that trans people are less than or if I was generally a more vulnerable and fearful person, which is where I think this debate falls apart. The fight seems to be had under the guise of a reasonable request and with the assertion that this is very regularly denied in the real world - it’s not, nor is there an actual real thread of it being, so I think we can probably just leave trans people alone

What discussions can we have that “leave people out of it”? Trans women are men, people keep telling us they are welcome in women’s spaces. But they aren’t. The idea that men’s feelings and “identity” are more important than women’s privacy, safety and dignity are your fringe belief, I’m afraid @Waitingforthecold

I don’t fundamentally disagree with what you’re saying in principle. But I do disagree with demonising trans people (which is what this thread is essentially doing). I would think you can have your discussions and largely leave trans people out of it. You want ‘people who were born with female chromosome spaces’, is there seriously a lot of pushback on that? I would just assume that woman like me and trans women wouldn’t want to be in those spaces anyway but I can’t imagine many people actually have issue with them existing.

The issues is that this discussion never happens without being hateful towards trans people and largely denying their existence.

Trans women are male
Trans men are female

Trans identified people should not be accommodated at the expense of dignity and privacy for females (or indeed males).

Case closed.

(For clarity, sex is binary and immutable, saying these things is not hate. or hateful. The discourse has changed the last 24 months)

The original comment I responded to literally stated that trans people are MEN - that undeniably portrays very little understanding of the topic, whether or not that’s true. If you’re posting on a public forum where your views are going to end up in a very generic trending section then you cannot assume that everyone reading your comments is part of your group and capable of reading between the lines.

what the poster clearly meant was that the trans people your cause takes issue with are all men - what I don’t understand is how this rhetoric runs smoothly alongside the idea that people can present however they wants. For example
I don’t understand what’s been done
to ensure that boundaries aren’t blurred between protecting single sex spaces and demonising trans people, it seems like the former can only be achieved by latter and that is where I fundamentally disagree.

I didn’t realise I was a ‘newbie’ stumbling across a well established group - this is not clear when your threads appear in the trending section.

I’m not going to apologise for protecting trans people - I appreciate now how my comment is out of place - it’s impossible to understand your original comment unless you move in the same circles as you do.

I think you’re blurring the lines between having something you want to protect and being hateful as a way to protect it, I don’t think that’s right, regardless of the cause.

The original comment I responded to literally stated that trans people are MEN - that undeniably portrays very little understanding of the topic, whether or not that’s true. If you’re posting on a public forum where your views are going to end up in a very generic trending section then you cannot assume that everyone reading your comments is part of your group and capable of reading between the lines.

what the poster clearly meant was that the trans people your cause takes issue with are all men - what I don’t understand is how this rhetoric runs smoothly alongside the idea that people can present however they wants. For example
I don’t understand what’s been done
to ensure that boundaries aren’t blurred between protecting single sex spaces and demonising trans people, it seems like the former can only be achieved by latter and that is where I fundamentally disagree.