Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

Unfortunately men will find ways to abuse, assault and murder

They can commit voyeurism and indecent exposure with impunity, with just a simple change in policy.

I am scapegoating the parents, professionals and trans identified people along with their defenders who are ignoring tried and tested safeguarding and allowing males into female spaces, thats who I am scapegoating - because it's is demonstrably their fault.

Do you suggest we do a DBS check and THEN a fourteen year old kid can show his wang to my daughter?

Is that OK?

No males in female spaces. Not one. Not ever.

Are you really going down the men will find a way to rape you anyway so just let them in route?

Seriously?

Agree.

Your first sentence could be interpreted as:

I have never experienced anything negative, therefore nothing negative has every been experienced by anyone, therefore nothing negative exists, and therefore anybody claiming to have experienced anything negative must be motivated by hate.

Do you extend this 'it never happened to me so it never happens' to other social phenomena I wonder?

It's not that trans people are 'less than' anybody else, or that they are not entitled to the same rights as anybody else, the problem arises when trans people claim to actually be opposite sex, and claim the rights and facilities - and even the words - reserved for that group.

That is unacceptable on a purely factual basis - it is not possible for human beings to change sex, you are born either male or female, it is encoded in every part of your body, and there's nothing you can do to 'transition' to the opposite sex.
It is also unacceptable on an ethical level - appropriation of other people's identities for personal gain or gratification is not acceptable, and indeed as a PP has pointed out, not legal: an able-bodied person who claims to be disabled to get a blue badge is committing fraud.

So how is that different from a male-bodied person claiming to be female and insisting on using spaces reserved for women?

So the problem is trans people, particularly trans identifying men, claiming to be 'more than' what they actually are, not posters on this board claiming they are 'less than' anybody or anything. They are entitled to the same rights as anyone else, but so are women.

To paraphrase an old slogan from the 1980s that I came across a while ago:
To transwomen, their rights and no more.
To women, our rights and no less.

Of course not. But there are many other safeguarding practices in place to protect children and vulnerable people some will continue to look the same (DBS checks for example) and some might start to change in order to reflect a changing society. I respect you for fighting policy and not people, I would just hope that you are prepared to be flexible so that everyone is protected as best they can be and no one scapegoated

Unfortunately, I've been unlucky enough to encounter a masturbating cross dresser in the women's loos. But regardless of this, I'd argue for single sex spaces on the basis of statistical data, safeguarding, and basic logic.

Me neither!

To be honest, my privacy, safety and dignity are very rarely jeopardised by men. On a day to day basis I don't have much reason to use public toilets. I swim regularly, but on a beach where everyone just gets changed in the open air under a towel.

However, I can make the leap to imagining lives that aren't mine me, and situations that I haven't experienced. There is no objective definition of 'trans' (it's likely that there was confusion about the question, but a third of people in the last census who identified as having a gender different to their sex did not identify as male or female) so the only options are single sex services or mixed sex services.

If you want to argue for mixed sex prisons and rape crisis centres; or argue for some way to classify people who are truly 'trans' and exclude those who aren't, you should certainly go ahead and do that, and at least your argument would be coherent. But you cannot have single sex services that accommodate people of both sexes.

My fundamental concern is that without clear definitions of sex in law, women's rights don't exist at all.

To be fair, with current news topics, we get new visitors, and often people come to the subject with only a passing awareness of the issues and histories involved.

If there is a need for women and men to be segregated, that has to be on the basis of sex.

We have single sex spaces for a reason, and it ain't lipstick.

When did this thread turn into a random discussion of trans rights instead of discussing the topic at hand, i.e. Tyler Robinson's potential links to the trans community, particularly armed groups within it, and the extent to which they may have known about this in advance? It is of course early to speculate, but LE in Utah clearly thinks there is an angle there, it's not like FWR posters are just making it up out of spite and hate.

Sigh. I guess let's talk about people who just want to pee again.

Distract distract from any mention of violence from violent men.

So we just open the floodgates, get rid of all safeguarding policy, allow males in with females, maybe adults in with children? Not worry about profiling and likelihood of assaults, rapes and murders and just have done with it?

Because:

A) Men will apparently always fined a way
B) Men in dresses feelings will be hurt and thats way more important than my daughters safety, or indeed, your mums?

Males? Yes, sure. But predatory males will seek ways to access victims.

Transvestic fetishists are specifically aroused by wearing women's clothes, and sometimes by exhibitionism and voyeurism, too. It's a paraphilia, and paraphilias tend to cluster.

You can look up the ICD 11 for this, it's under heading 17, conditions related to sexual health.

https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#577470983

Can you point out where the poster "literally stated that trans people are MEN"?

Because I think reading that post, the poster was very clearly talking about a group of male people with transgender identities. But perhaps I am missing something.

However, again, I suggest if you are genuinely interested, you read the many threads on this board discussing this topic. Or start a new thread.

If you want to get a better overview, can I also suggest you read books. I suggest Helen Joyce, 'Trans' is a great place to start. Or any interview with Helen Joyce.

This video linked to in this site may be helpful to you too. It is available on YouTube too. It is the one that was cancelled 2 or 3 times from being privately viewed at the Edinburgh University. Maybe you can watch it and tell us why it should have been allowed to be cancelled by protesters each time?

adulthumanfemale.info

Are trans people seriously being held accountable to men’s treatment of women? Unfortunately men will find ways to abuse, assault and murder women regardless of what we do about single sex spaces.

my point is that I do not believe protecting single sec spaces will make any difference to the stats on male violence of women and girls. I would argue there’s a much larger, threat in common

Are we holding all Males accountable for the actions of the violent ones when we exclude them from female single sex spaces? Do you understand anything at all about safeguarding?

Good for you that you can't think of an example where you have been impacted personally (luxury beliefs). Are unaware of the many many tribunals of women who have been impacted? Just a few of the top of my head - Roz Adams who believes that rape victims have the right to know the sex of their counsellor, won her tribunal against Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre. Sarah Summers settled her case recently with the Survivors Network who have agreed to provide one guaranteed single sex group therapy session for rape victims. Social workers Rachel Meade and Lizzie Pitt who were concerned about the impact gender ideology has on safeguarding young people and who were discriminated against by their employers for their views. The Darlington Nurses tribunal starts next month's. Dozens of nurses complained to HR about a male colleague being given access to the female changing room and behaving inappropriately.

Are you aware of the women who have been sexually assaulted in prison after male prisoners were housed in the female estate? Are you aware of the battle female athletes have been having to make the the female category single sex again to restore fair and safe competition? These cases are happening all over the world as women fight back against having their rights stripped away.

We discuss these things on this board because we.care about this, not because we're a bunch of bigots who are bothered by how someone chooses to dress or present.

But it's the entire trans community insisting males are allowed in females spaces, even those under 16. This is happening everywhere.

And it's not this one school, it's hundreds up and down the country, let alone every other country.

No males in female spaces ever.

The simplest course of action in all circumstances is for men and boys to respect women and girls and stay out of our spaces.

There’s clearly been a traumatic incident at your daughter’s school, which is awful and reading between the lines - sexual assault. Unfortunately there is risk of this happening regardless of inclusion policy and the person held accountable should be the assaulter, not the entire trans community

The alternative space should clearly be for the boy, not the girls. Clue: this is why many people see your ideological worldview as misogynistic @Waitingforthecold

I'm sorry you think females should get out of their own spaces, be othered, cancelled and shunned - for a male to come in and show his wang to a load of fourteen year olds?

You think that's safe?

And fair? FFS

Not a single female was ever told a male would be changing with them, never given the chance to object, parents never told

No males should ever be in female spaces. Never.

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