Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

Cross post!

I became aware of GFM because I follow the comics business, and was intrigued to hear of a trans writer with violent fantasies who was even worse than Magdalene Visaggio.

Oh. That chap.

Apologies, cross posted with you @SionnachRuadh i took ages writing that follow on post 🤣

Felker-Martin wrote: “Blood on Jessie [sic] Singal’s hands, blood on Helen Joyce’s, Rowling’s, every just-asking-questions journalist and fear-mongering TERFs. You’re scared for your children? They’re killing ours. … If they all had one throat, man.”

this is the man who wrote a crappy novel fawned over by misogynistic idiots where JK Rowling is murdered, and which the Wachowski brothers want to make a film of. He was also suspended temporarily from Bluesky for the second time (the first was for threatening violence against JKR) and lost some comic writing job for glorifying Charlie Kirk’s murder.

Felker-Martin is the charming character who, a couple of years ago, wrote a novel gleefully imagining the murder of JK Rowling. The transvestite fetishist Lilly Wachowski is planning on adapting the book into a TV show.

Felker-Martin was also fired by DC Comics last week for publicly celebrating the murder of Charlie Kirk, and then doubling down on it. The only thing I can say is, DC knew who this man was when they hired him, and I'd guess his fashionable identity was a big part of the reason why they hired him.

Felker-Martin has been suspended from Bluesky at least twice for wishing violence on public figures which, given what Bluesky is like, is a bit like being suspended from the BNP for being too racist.

The only societal issue at blame here is America’s ridiculous lack of gun control

I’m just suggesting that the child who sexually assaulted your daughter did so for reasons other than being trans

I think the general consensus is that he would have done it because he was male.

Changing rooms in high schools after all are not typically monitored by staff nor have any real security measures.

Yes, that is one of the reasons that women and girls are particularly vulnerable in changing rooms. The safeguarding measure is keeping men out. Of course some men might try to enter anyway, but the difference is whether that is lawful or unlawful. Similarly it would be much easier for burglars to burgle if they had a right to enter anyone's property.

There is a poster called keeptoiletssafe whose posts you might find informative. It is very difficult to maintain security and safety in 'private' public spaces.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5316505-toilets-a-chance-to-make-them-safer-for-everyone

If we’re going to talk about the nature of much of the “trans movement” I’d like to share this example of the rhetoric:

https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/id-like-gretchen-felker-martin-to?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true

”she” is a man, obviously:

I’m speculating here a little, but Felker-Martin’s MO appears to be building a fantasy version of her enemies in which they are so evil that no action toward them is unwarranted, and then using that depiction of them to justify her preexisting tendencies toward sadism and florid violent and sexual fantasies. This isn’t new — I found one of her violent tweets, captured by a right-wing tabloid site, dating back to 2017. In that one she told a city councilor who was opposed to Worcester, Massachusetts becoming a sanctuary city, “we’re gonna bury your lonely corpse in the overgrown lot behind State Liquors, Michael.”

I don't know, but it's interesting to me that Kirk (who I think was a midwesterner by birth) had moved to Arizona and lots of his staff there were LDS. He was one of those evangelicals who was Mormon friendly - lots of evangelicals don't like them because of their heterodox beliefs, but others are prepared to overlook that because of their values and strong family orientation.

But yeah, there's a subset of young Mormons, often gay or trans, who leave the church and become very anti-Mormon. The default position for them seems to be Reddit atheism, the Progress Pride flag and far left omnicause politics. A cynic might think they've exchanged one conformist religion for another.

Church leadership, who are mostly extremely old and still fighting the battles of when they were young men of 75, are more worried about the edgelord youth who share Brigham Young memes and joke about unfashionable 19th century doctrines.

"The issues is that this discussion never happens without being hateful towards trans people and largely denying their existence."

I don't believe that there is one post on this thread denying 'trans people' exist. This is very lazy emotional manipulation.

The discussion is whether society must act as if it supports a male person's philosophical belief about themselves that doesn't reflect material reality or not when it comes to safeguarding female people and allowing female people to have their needs met.

What other group of male people get their philosophical belief affirmed by society in having their belief prioritised above the sex based needs of female people? Why is this group so special?

This thread has morphed, hasn't it?!

I think my issue with Waitingforthecold's approach is that it is very anecdotal; I tend to zoom out to a wider approach, based on principles rather than incidents.

Waitingforthecold has not had a negative trans-related experience, in other words, anecdotally, it is a non-issue for her.
Waitingforthecold rightly condemns a sexual assault at a school, but that is just one anecdotal incident.

If you zoom out, there is a wider picture: sadly, for whatever reason, there is a group in society who disproportionately abuses another group in society, in ways that are very specific to the second group and are based on biological differences.
Within that statement there are lots of sub-sections: not all Group 1 are a danger to Group 2, not all Group 2 will have negative experiences with Group 1, some Group 1 are lovely chaps who wouldn't dream of attacking Group 2, and so on.

But in certain limited contexts, the most straightforward way to protect Group 2 from the problematic elements in Group 1 is to keep them separate.

Toilets are the main example of such a limited context - being in a vulnerable position, i.e. partially undressed and often alone in an isolated place, puts Group 2 in increased danger of attack, or at the very least, the very well-founded fear of it.

So toilets are segregated, and it has long been accepted that Group 1 should not enter the toilets, or other similar facilities like changing rooms, designated for Group 2.

That works for the majority of both groups - men use the men's, women use the women's. This is not based on the personality or character or clothing of the men who insist on using the women's toilets, even the lovely lovely transwomen who have been using them for years and wouldn't hurt a fly - it is based on the principle that in the specific context of toilets or changing rooms, Group 1 stays out of the facilities designated for Group 2, full stop.

What argument?

It seems unclear from your post what you mean?

Do the majority of female people want female single sex spaces to be only female single sex spaces? Yes.

Are you posing your arguments that female single sex spaces are the 'third' space?

Take the example that a current single sex space for female people is 4 cubicles and the organisation provided one space for the female people who what female single sex spaces. All that will mean is that once the female people realise that the original space they thought was female only is mixed sex, they will all use the 'third space'. Then that 'third space' because over subscribed and likely result in lines so the organisation will then be under pressure to reinstate the original female single sex space where there are 4 cubicles and state that no male people are allowed access over a certain age.

I'm interested in the fact that he eventually targeted an outsider.

I would have thought that Charlie Kirk is less of a 'change maker' in Utah society than in other parts of the US, because the conservatism already exists and is so defined by the religion (and has form for being anti Trump e.g. Romney, Evan McMullen).

Jesus Christ. Your myopic views are staggering.

it’s letting men pretend to be women that’s the problem.

Just bumping this post as pp claimed it was “misinformation”.

Can we also remember that the amount of sexual abuse in schools is horrifically high.

It is NOT inclusive to allow male students access to female single sex provisions. Because the very presence of any male person in a space that is supposed to be just for female people can cause distress for the female student. Just the presence of someone who is male can cause a female student to start to self exclude from that space which was supposed to be just for female people.

Excuse if I’m being dense, but does this not support your argument? I was surprised there was pushback on having specific spaces and instead of just avoiding them, people are fighting them

You want ‘people who were born with female chromosome spaces’, is there seriously a lot of pushback on that?

Maybe you would like to see just what the majority of female people in the UK think about this very thing.

Here are links to several tracking YouGov polls since 2018. If you find the information too confusing to read, I will be happy to pull the specific 2024 survey data out for you to make it very clear. In particular look at the results for Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...

YouGov tracker data
This is comparing 2018 answers too.

In the following questions a transgender woman is someone who was biologically male at birth, but now identifies as a woman. A transgender man is someone who was biologically female at birth, but now identifies as a man.

Do you think transgender women should or should not be allowed to…
Take part in women's sporting events?2018 in italics, 2022 in [brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 27 [16] 12% 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 15%
Should not be allowed 48 [61] 74% 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 26%
Don't know 25 [22] 14%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 11%

Use women's changing rooms? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 42 [34] 25%. 2018 - 2024* this is decrease by 17%
Should not be allowed 33 [43] 58%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 25%
Don't know 25 [23] 17%. 2018 - 2024 *this is decrease by 8%

Use women's toilets? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 46 [38] 33%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 13%
Should not be allowed 30 [41] 51%. 2018 - 2024* *this is increase by 20%
Don't know 23 [21] 16%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 7%

Use women's refuges? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 47 [39] 29%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 18%
Should not be allowed 27 [36] 55%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 28%
Don't know 26 [25] 16%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

No surgery question was asked in 2018

And the specific non surgical question from 2020:

Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...
Use women's changing rooms? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024
Should be allowed 26 [25] 19%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 7%
Should not be allowed 46 [48] 63%. 2020 - 2024* *this is increase by 17%
Don't know 28 [27] 18%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

Use women's toilets?
Should be allowed 31 [29] 23%. 2020 - 2024* *this is decrease by 8%
Should not be allowed 41 [46] 60%. 2020 - 2024 this is increase by 19%
Don't know 27 [25] 18%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 9%

And finally:

This question was also not asked in 2018

Do you believe that allowing transgender women to use spaces reserved for women, such as women's toilets or changing rooms, does or does not present a genuine risk of harm to women? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024

Does not present a genuine risk of harm 39 [32] 25%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 14%
Does present a genuine risk of harm 32 [39] 55%. 2020 - 2024 this is increase by 23%
Don't know 29 [29] 20%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 9%

d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgender_data_2018.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgender_data_2020.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Internal_TransgenderIssues_220720_final_extraXbreak_FINAL.pdf

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov_-_Transgender_study_2024.pdf

There was also a Sex Matters poll done within days of the YouGov tracker. These are the results of it compared to in the past too. Just pulling them together, the Sex Matters (2533 adults polled) results were often more supportive than the YouGov results (2078 adults polled).

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/SexMatters_Gender_241219_ZMwbM2T.pdf

In the following questions a transgender woman is someone who was biologically male at birth, but now identifies as a woman. A transgender man is someone who was biologically female at birth, but now identifies as a man.

Do you think transgender women should or should not be allowed to…
Take part in women's sporting events?2018 in italics, 2022 in [brackets vs 2024 SM (YG 2024)
Should be allowed 27 [16] 11%SM 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 16% (YG 12%)
Should not be allowed 48 [61] 74%SM 2018 - 2024 SM this is increase by 26% (YG 74%)
Don't know 25 [22] 15%SM. 2018 - 2024 this is SM decrease by 10% (YG 14%)

Use women's changing rooms? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 42 [34] 27%SM. 2018 - 2024SM this is decrease by 15% (YG 25%)*
Should not be allowed 33 [43] 56%SM. 2018 - 2024SM this is increase by 23% (YG 58%)
Don't know 25 [23] 17%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 8% (YG 17%)*

Use women's toilets? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 46 [38] 33%SM. 2018 - 2024 SMthis is decrease by 13% (YG 29%)
Should not be allowed 30 [41] 51%SM. 2018 - 2024SM this is increase by 20% (YG 55%)
Don't know 23 [21] 16%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 7% (YG 16%)

Use women's refuges? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 47 [39] 31%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 16% (YG 29%)
Should not be allowed 27 [36] 47%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is increase by 20% (YG 52%)
Don't know 26 [25] 22%SM. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease SM by 4% (YG 20%)

And the specific non surgical question from 2020:

Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...

Use women's changing rooms? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024SM (YG 2024)
Should be allowed 26 [25] 20%SM. 2020 - 2024SM this is decrease by 6% (YG 19%)
Should not be allowed 46 [48] 62%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is increase by 16% (YG 63%)
Don't know 28 [27] 18%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 10% (YG 18%)

Use women's toilets?
Should be allowed 31 [29] 26%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 5% (YG 23%)
Should not be allowed 41 [46] 58%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is increase by 17% (YG 60%)
Don't know 27 [25] 16%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 11% (YG 18%)

DBS checks which allow people who say they are Trans to not put their previous names down and so their previous names don't get picked up unless they choose to call the Trans Hotline...those DBS checks?

Very welcome 👍🏻

No, I’m just suggesting that the child who sexually assaulted your daughter did so for reasons other than being trans, and that their access to your daughter would have been no more restricted even if policy staunchly protected single sex spaces. Changing rooms in high schools after all are not typically monitored by staff nor have any real security measures.

I’ll have to stop the discussion there I’m afraid as I have things to do.

I hope your daughter is provided with the right support following what happened to her and I wish you well in finding a way forward for your community.

Male people are being held accountable for male people's treatment of women.

Single sex spaces are not only for protecting female people from any male person who means them physical harm.

There is no evidence at all that the group of male people with transgender identities commit sex and violent crime at the same rate or less than the general female population in the UK. It would have to be proven that they did for even a logical argument to be had about that specific aspect of safeguarding.

However, safety is but one aspect of the safeguarding needs for female people. There are numerous harms.

Harms include:

-Rape and sexual assault.
-Violence.
-Sexual abuse that is not rape or sexual assault.
-Sexual abuse that also includes solo sexual acts or using the experience in future sexual acts.
-Any other abuse that may include verbal abuse, intimidation in any way etc.
-A male person's presence where female people need privacy and dignity.
-A male person's presence where female people need to feel safe from any male person's presence (over the age of about 8 years old).
-Female people self-excluding knowing that there may be a male person accessing that provision.

Narrowing the discussion to sex and violence offences does not remove these other harms from consideration for single sex spaces.

The point is, why should any female person be subject to higher risk of any of these harms just to allow a group of male people with a philosophical belief about their identity that doesn't reflect material reality access?

Thank you 🙏

You haven't actually suggested any safeguarding practices.

What do you suggest 'I don't like the cut of his jib, so he can't use this changing room!'.

That sounds far more discriminatory than just having simple rules that allow boundaries to be set using objective criteria.

“Republican in name only”

Historically he has made very anti-Trump statements but his attitude has changed along the way.