Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

Except later in the article about Charlotte Hayes she admits that she has been in hot water for saying things before having been a contact creator for years. I would spare your sympathy.

Based on Lucy Connolly's case, one assumes she will get several years in prison, right?

But I did feel sympathy for Charlotte Hayes. In my ideal world her offence would be resolved by her giving a sincere and full apology.

There's a lot of discussion online arguing that these kinds of "cancellations" show that, fundamentally, the Right don't support free speech. There is something in that in that parts of both the Left and the Right will suppress speech they don't like.

However, going to the specifics of particular cases, I think there's a massive gulf between saying a transwoman is a man and rejoicing at a political assassination.

Unfortunately, there have been a series of shootings in the US by trans youth; both male and female; Utah, Nashville, Minnesota, Indiana, Colorado , Maryland. They are ill and violent.
And look at this image, that's the lieutenant governor of Minnesota. Young troubled people don't need this dangerous messaging.

She's fafo but i feel sorry for her. No-one should be threatening her. She shouldn't be doxed. Going after her kids and her place of employment is abhorrent. Just don't buy from her if you don't like her! She should feel ashamed but I hope this will soon be behind her and she'll be more temperate in future.

Eta a wee bit of clarification.

Trans ideology is now so steeped in "everyone's out to get me" culture and the left (in this situation) have attached themselves to the trans cause because they always support the "underdog", and consequently turn a blind eye (or even celebrate) when trans people talk about armed resistance. It just emboldens these people, and there needs to be a serious look (particularly with how the media report) on perpetuating these ideas.

I look at trans activists and I don't even see people just wanting to be the opposite sex, I see "trans" with the ridiculous outfits etc promoting violence.

As trans activists left or right wing? I don't care, I don't support their ideology.

And I am reminded of The Day Today Gay News (a comedy about defining what is gay today). It seems like a lot of (young) activists are deciding on a daily basis as to what is left and right wing.

People are even being cancelled for celebrating his death in the UK, see this foolish young woman:

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone/news/kent-mum-targeted-after-kill-them-all-video-on-charlie-kir-329898/

I understand that just a few weeks ago after the previous shooting involving a trans shooter, there was talk about whether or not to ban trans people from having guns. The NRA put out a statement saying they supported 2A rights for all law-abiding Americans or words to that effect.

I didn't really follow this but I saw mention of it when I was browsing the transguns sub the other day.

I'm not au fait with gun rights laws to know how they treat either terrorist groups or people with mental illnesses, as I imagine those are the angles you would try to go for if you wanted a ban for groups like Armed Queers etc.

I think this is an example (somewhat less relevant to the UK ofc) of why it is important to engage with the question of "just how violent are these groups" because stripping civil liberties (which this is in the US) of a non-violent group is pretty harsh, but if there are patterns that would allow you to identify the real crazies within that group, presumably there would be some kind of "terrorist/gang" exceptions that would apply. But if you don't allow discussion of it you can't engage with that.

Of course it's the US so anyone can get a gun who wants one regardless

The bald dude who claimed to be the shooter has been charged with some sort of obstruction of justice /wasting LE time offence:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-zinn-charlie-kirk-shooting-b2827454.html

www.thedailybeast.com/man-who-claimed-to-be-charlie-kirks-killer-is-charged/

This.

You aren't British are you?

Absolutely.

The Law Enforcement agencies are going to encourage these very online kids/young adults (who pose as hardcore violent extremists but in reality barely go outside) to snitch all over each other.

They’ll probably find something similar to what’s happing in Transactivism here, where the youngest and most naive are sent climbing up buildings and chucking insects into LGB meetings while the main organisers and ideas men are fully grown adults with a history of serious criminal convictions (eg Sarah Jane Baker).

Can you imagine the militant left using the 2nd to say they have a legitimate right to take up arms and defend themselves against authority which tries to oppress them through tyranny, and how the militant right who are wedded to the 2nd might implode at the prospect.
You don't understand; it's not the militant right. The majority of Americans support the 2nd Amendment. The majority of Americans voted for the current government. Regular Americans use guns to protect their property and themselves.
Antifa uses Marxism to support the overthrow of the government.

This particular crime will likely be recorded as left wing whilst people radicalised in similar online spaces who enact similar violent acts will be recorded as right wing. Ultimately the political label is less important than the root of the problem, which is alienated
No, there is no right wing trans violent underground group. There isn't a right wing gay one.
It's Marxism that promotes violence.
And the problem isn't 'alienation' but pornography consumption plus grooming of mentally ill youth. There have been I believe 5 mass shootings in the US by trans young people .

Thanks for that.

So press briefing, newly filed court documents and the charges themselves to hit this evening (Uk time).

Will be interesting.

DH has pondered the idea of Antifa gun lovers using the 2nd Amendment as a legal defence at some point.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Can you imagine the militant left using the 2nd to say they have a legitimate right to take up arms and defend themselves against authority which tries to oppress them through tyranny, and how the militant right who are wedded to the 2nd might implode at the prospect.

Formal charging is later today: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/charlie-kirks-accused-assassin-faces-initial-court-hearing-formal-charges-utah-2025-09-16/

As the guy said on the video @TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown posted yesterday, the fact that apparently Robinson sent him a bald text telling him where to find the gun and there is no apparent response asking what he means or what is going on is interesting.

Yes I thought that possibly they might be wanting to strongly send the message that Twiggs is “cooperating” fully to put the wind up any other less involved co-conspirators who might decide to also help them out in the hope of clearing themselves.

I'm not convinced yet that Twiggs, isn't in a lot of trouble himself and THATS why he's 'cooperating' with the FBI.

I thought the word 'cooperating' was an interesting choice. Not 'assisting'. This suggests potential using information to inform on others to throw others under the bus - most notably Robinson who is their big target.

Some of the stuff circulating suggests there were things said by Robinson to Twiggs BEFORE the event and there seems to have been about five online accounts which made comment prior to the murder inferring something was about to happen in relation to Kirk and these were all within a very small community. If Robinson was acting alone, is this a plausible coincidence? I'm not convinced it is.

One tweeter a couple of days ago claimed to have gone through all the public records and newspaper reports about messages involving Robinson, Twiggs and other Discord members between 6th and 13th Sep (when he was arrested). At the time of the tweet, I couldn't verify most of what he said.

Half of it since has been reported by the BBC and other sources, so its proving to be accurate so far.

Theres a few remaining messages in this series which ask some pretty big questions of Twiggs. I am expecting them to be verified as accurate at some point tbh. I'm waiting to see how this develops and I'm open minded to nothing further appearing along these lines, but over the last couple of days the noise generally about the FBI investigating a wider group has got louder.

Robinson himself has not yet been formally charged (I think that supposed to be tomorrow). This is where the full charges against him will be known and thats going to be interesting.

Do we know if any of them had jobs?

Peaceful gay ex-Mormons. Which Lance Twiggs maybe referred to as 'idiot cisfags'?

Fascinating. Not come across that term before.

I suspect there are going to be a LOT of arrests, including of people who technically had advanced knowledge of the crime but assumed it was a (sick) fantasy rather than something Robinson would actually go through with.

This particular crime will likely be recorded as left wing whilst people radicalised in similar online spaces who enact similar violent acts will be recorded as right wing. Ultimately the political label is less important than the root of the problem, which is alienated, marginalised youth falling into grievance soaked online rabbit holes and friendship networks where extreme violence is normalised.

How do we prevent adolescents taking on a ‘wound collector’ mindset and how do we help those who have already developed one to leave it behind?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201509/on-wound-collectors