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RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 20:20

I'm reading the charges.

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/09/16/us/indictment-tyler-robinson-charges-kirk.html?unlocked_article_code=1.mU8.jooL.UUL_fH4KQcdy&smid=url-share

Its fairly straightforward really, but he does say he was planning it for about a week which still leaves the door open to other questions.

OneAmberFinch · 16/09/2025 20:17

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 20:08

The Text Messages

He nicked his Granddad's gun!

To be fair to Robinson - watching news anchors trying to dissect "notices bulge UwU" has been one of the highlights of this affair...

spannasaurus · 16/09/2025 20:15

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 20:08

The Text Messages

He nicked his Granddad's gun!

Earlier on in the broadcast the attorney has said the gun was gifted to Robinson. His dad recognised the gun in the photos released to the press.

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 20:08

The Text Messages

He nicked his Granddad's gun!

Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate
Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate
PronounssheRa · 16/09/2025 20:08

From the BBC

her son had become more political and left-leaning over gay and trans rights, and had been dating his roommate who was transitioning genders

Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate
TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 19:54

From the BBC live feed (clearing up the mystery of the handwritten note).

Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate
TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 19:50

I had no idea that ‘committing violent crime when children were present’ could be an additional charge.

Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate
TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 19:32

Live broadcast on charges (sorry/not sorry it’s Fox News’ YouTube)

https://www.youtube.com/live/Pm9JVOjQtsY?si=EFuX6WgYjgIfYlv1

TheCatsTongue · 16/09/2025 19:03

People are still wilfully believing the groyper theory.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 18:55

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 18:51

'Utah Ex-Mormon Transgender Furry Terrorist Polycule'

if you want to go for the whole terrible sensationalist click bait tabloid headline.

It's really quite special in terms of how bonkers it sounds.

so bonkers it’s gonna sound like a conspiracy theory to normies.

It occurs to me that Tyler Robinson, Lance Twigg and their little gang of Discords are probably extremely pissed off that their carefully selected, bullet etched slogans have been miscredited to ‘Far Right Groypers’!

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 18:51

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 18:45

Transgender Furry Terrorist Polycule?

'Utah Ex-Mormon Transgender Furry Terrorist Polycule'

if you want to go for the whole terrible sensationalist click bait tabloid headline.

It's really quite special in terms of how bonkers it sounds.

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 16/09/2025 18:51

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 18:44

Re: the cancellation stuff - I don’t support masses of people piling onto employers (or prize committees or buildings that rent out for events) demanding their employee (nominee or event organiser etc) be cancelled for perfectly legal ‘wrong think’):

However, if an employer discovers their employee has done something illegal or that is in breach of their contract and has the potential to bring a business or org into disrepute then I would expect the employer to follow the usual procedures for workplace disciplinary in a fair and even handed manner (and the expected standards for someone who say, is a singer in a rock band are going to be different to those for teachers, doctors etc).

Calling for more fatal violence is clearly going to violate expected standards in many jobs and professions.

(I just wish the workplace tribunal was cheaper and faster because at the moment a lot of people have failed to get a fair hearing via HR because of the stupidities of stonewall law)

Celebrating the violent death of a media figure is going to be a lot less grey area/muddled than insisting that men can’t be women (thanks to the idiocy of the GRA 2004).

And as well as all that surely any employer has a legal duty to ensure the workplace is a safe environment for everyone?

If an employee is advocating murder for a difference of opinion then how can anyone who doesn’t align with said employer feel safe working with him/ her?

The implications for teachers and healthcare workers or anyone working in an environment where they interact with vulnerable people are even more serious.

They’ve effectively made themselves unemployable.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 18:47

thatsthewayitis · 16/09/2025 15:50

Unfortunately, there have been a series of shootings in the US by trans youth; both male and female; Utah, Nashville, Minnesota, Indiana, Colorado , Maryland. They are ill and violent.
And look at this image, that's the lieutenant governor of Minnesota. Young troubled people don't need this dangerous messaging.

This T shirt is foul.

Like, sure, wear the words if you must, but the accompanying imagery is glorifying violence and makes it harder than ever to dispute that Transgender Ideology is a Death Cult.

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 18:45

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 18:41

Tyler Robinson was in a relationship with his trans roommate and may have had other romantic relationships too (this was rumoured on social media last night).

The FBI believe others may have been involved in the murder.

Wow.

Transgender Furry Terrorist Polycule?

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 18:44

Re: the cancellation stuff - I don’t support masses of people piling onto employers (or prize committees or buildings that rent out for events) demanding their employee (nominee or event organiser etc) be cancelled for perfectly legal ‘wrong think’):

However, if an employer discovers their employee has done something illegal or that is in breach of their contract and has the potential to bring a business or org into disrepute then I would expect the employer to follow the usual procedures for workplace disciplinary in a fair and even handed manner (and the expected standards for someone who say, is a singer in a rock band are going to be different to those for teachers, doctors etc).

Calling for more fatal violence is clearly going to violate expected standards in many jobs and professions.

(I just wish the workplace tribunal was cheaper and faster because at the moment a lot of people have failed to get a fair hearing via HR because of the stupidities of stonewall law)

Celebrating the violent death of a media figure is going to be a lot less grey area/muddled than insisting that men can’t be women (thanks to the idiocy of the GRA 2004).

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 18:41

Tyler Robinson was in a relationship with his trans roommate and may have had other romantic relationships too (this was rumoured on social media last night).

The FBI believe others may have been involved in the murder.

Wow.

Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate
Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate
TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 18:34

Noodledog · 16/09/2025 16:40

Thanks for posting that article, I found it fascinating and fits so well with many TRAs. The trans movement is absolutely full of wound collectors. And then in the US it's so easy for them to get hold of guns....

Trans is a great way for wound collectors to operate really - a trans identity is almost like a fishing net for catching new wounds or a trap for those who have ‘wronged you’ to fall into again and again…

… because misgendering and deadnaming can so easily be classified as wounds, as can questioning a lack of childhood signs of gender nonconformity or criticising anything about the persons appearance, behaviour or voice (even if those criticisms are intended to be constructively helpful or are equally applicable to everyone, eg telling a 14 year old they can’t go out in such a teeny tiny outfit because it’s midwinter).

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 16/09/2025 18:14

PronounssheRa · 16/09/2025 16:10

I think there are going to be more than a few brits denied entry to the US over the coming years because of the shit they have posted or said about Kirks death.

Quite right too.
Who needs advocates for murder in their country?

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 16/09/2025 18:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2025 15:32

People are even being cancelled for celebrating his death in the UK, see this foolish young woman:

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone/news/kent-mum-targeted-after-kill-them-all-video-on-charlie-kir-329898/

I saw her video. It’s been featured by Stan Price on a YouTube short.

https://youtube.com/shorts/eTbDDs6s1aY?si=d3VEH0yYa3Xs3O3F

Her rant was absolutely atrocious.

thatsthewayitis · 16/09/2025 17:42

Noodledog · 16/09/2025 16:40

Thanks for posting that article, I found it fascinating and fits so well with many TRAs. The trans movement is absolutely full of wound collectors. And then in the US it's so easy for them to get hold of guns....

Well if trans were recategorized as a mental illness ( which it had been in the past) they would be prohibited from purchasing guns .

Also in the US free speech is protected, meaning the state; the cops won't come and arrest you or mark it down. But if you advocate violence; "kill x" yeah that's not protected speech. Also your employers can fire you. It's especially abhorrent when it promotes or condones violence. It's freaking regular Americans out that nurses, doctors, teachers, psychologists, professors and students are applauding assassinating someone for their differing opinions. This is the big takeaway...

RedToothBrush · 16/09/2025 17:09

'A lot more' than 20 people on the discord to be questioned formally by the FBI.

Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate
Noodledog · 16/09/2025 16:40

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 16/09/2025 14:10

I suspect there are going to be a LOT of arrests, including of people who technically had advanced knowledge of the crime but assumed it was a (sick) fantasy rather than something Robinson would actually go through with.

This particular crime will likely be recorded as left wing whilst people radicalised in similar online spaces who enact similar violent acts will be recorded as right wing. Ultimately the political label is less important than the root of the problem, which is alienated, marginalised youth falling into grievance soaked online rabbit holes and friendship networks where extreme violence is normalised.

How do we prevent adolescents taking on a ‘wound collector’ mindset and how do we help those who have already developed one to leave it behind?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/spycatcher/201509/on-wound-collectors

Edited

Thanks for posting that article, I found it fascinating and fits so well with many TRAs. The trans movement is absolutely full of wound collectors. And then in the US it's so easy for them to get hold of guns....

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2025 16:29

nauticant · 16/09/2025 15:52

There's a lot of discussion online arguing that these kinds of "cancellations" show that, fundamentally, the Right don't support free speech. There is something in that in that parts of both the Left and the Right will suppress speech they don't like.

However, going to the specifics of particular cases, I think there's a massive gulf between saying a transwoman is a man and rejoicing at a political assassination.

And she went further than rejoicing, she said there should be more assassinations.

TheCatsTongue · 16/09/2025 16:28

Having a poo is a human right, doesn't mean that you can go around and poo wherever you want and not expect to get into trouble. There's a time and a place.

Going around shouting "fire" when there isn't and then using "freedom of speech", to justify it.

Saying inflammatory stuff and then claiming "freedom of speech". There's a time and a place.

Unfortunately people have decided that "woman: adult human female" is offensive and dangerous and got people sacked for saying that.

Companies can decide whether they want to be associated with people celebrating murder, which is very different to people being sacked for stating scientific fact. It's about human decency.

A worker at Man City got sacked for turning up to work in a Man Utd shirt. Not seeing a lot moaning about freedom of speech there.

PronounssheRa · 16/09/2025 16:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2025 15:32

People are even being cancelled for celebrating his death in the UK, see this foolish young woman:

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone/news/kent-mum-targeted-after-kill-them-all-video-on-charlie-kir-329898/

I think there are going to be more than a few brits denied entry to the US over the coming years because of the shit they have posted or said about Kirks death.