Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women’s privacy and dignity

1000 replies

Mrspenguinsschoolforfreaks · 07/09/2025 13:43

I’ve just been to my local leisure centre swimming pool and while I was in the changing rooms a woman walked in from the showers, fully naked. I averted my eyes, and she walked quite close past me in a way which to me (and I fully accept I may well have imagined it) felt a bit pointed. I felt vaguely uncomfortable and embarrassed in the same way I would have if a man had walked in naked.

My impression is that the vast majority of people on this forum believe that it is a fundamental breach of women’s privacy and dignity if people with male biology (whether cisgender men or trans women) share changing facilities with women. Yet they do not consider that it undermines a woman’s privacy or dignity to have to get changed in front of other women, or to see other women naked.

I understand that many women have had experiences with men’s exhibitionist or voyeuristic behaviour which makes them specifically uncomfortable being undressed around men, or being around men who are undressed. But I’ve often seen the argument on here that it equally undermines men’s privacy and dignity to have to share changing facilities with women.

So my question is, do you think privacy and dignity are not infringed by having to get changed in front of people of the same sex? If not, why not?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
56
Helleofabore · 11/09/2025 08:56

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:47

The receipts are in the discussion from yesterday. You know that.

Still waiting…

No. I don't.

So, I am still waiting for you to clarify what it is that you have claimed the police have admitted to.

Still waiting...

I can do this all day too... I am still only on page 26 and working my way through this thread.

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:55

ThatBlackCat · 11/09/2025 08:55

The source of the data is included on the images....

yeah looks legit…

ThatBlackCat · 11/09/2025 08:55

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:52

Yeah it is…

Show us on official nomenclature.

The source of the data is included on the images....

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 11/09/2025 08:55

Creepy and incoherent

truly you are spoiling us @Howseitgoin

Helleofabore · 11/09/2025 08:54

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:40

What part of LESBIANS HAVE LITERALLY BEEN CAUGHT SEXUALLY ASSAULTING WOMEN is not good enough…

See where this illogical point goes?

Readers note:

There is no legislation that supports the segregation of publicly accessed spaces further than by sex (ie single sex spaces), as this further segregation is illegitimate discrimination. The Legitimate discrimination allowed by law (and by Human rights too) is for sex segregation.

Therefore no publicly accessed single sex spaces can then be segregated by race or ethnicity, sexual orientation, religion for instance. These would be acts of illegitimate discrimination.

There is no commonality within the group of people with transgender identities except for their personal philosophical belief about their identity which is an identity that does not reflect material reality. This philosophical belief is not one that is acceptable to allow exclusion from sex segregation for publicly accessible single sex spaces. There are no other philosophical beliefs that have this additional privilege either.

There is also no logic in allowing a group of male people to access female single sex spaces because of their philosophical belief that is one that doesn't reflect material reality. If that group require additional protection, then a separate space for them should be provided.

Taztoy · 11/09/2025 08:54

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:52

Yeah it is…

Show us on official nomenclature.

I’m allowed as per the SC ruling to say no to men in women’s single sex spaces.

I say no.

Why won’t you accept my no?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 08:53

Try to at least make some sort of sense mate.

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:52

ThatBlackCat · 11/09/2025 08:50

It's from the UK department of prisons. AND the US. AND Canada.

Stats from actual prison data.

Yeah it is…

Show us on official nomenclature.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 08:51

So am I. Waiting, waiting. Tick tock. I’m waiting for your response to the receipts I posted yesterday @Howseitgoin- can’t you answer?

TheKeatingFive · 11/09/2025 08:51

Terribly sorry about the horrendous crimes of calling men, men and using correct sex pronouns for them.

That's still totally irrelevant to these men using facilities that belong to women

ThatBlackCat · 11/09/2025 08:50

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:48

Yup, 'looks legit' 😂….

UK government thanks. Still waiting…

It's from the UK department of prisons. AND the US. AND Canada.

Stats from actual prison data.

Taztoy · 11/09/2025 08:50

I’m still waiting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 08:49

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:47

The receipts are in the discussion from yesterday. You know that.

Still waiting…

What we know is that you transparently can’t back up your own arguments.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 08:48

Regular reminder that none of this shite is relevant anyway, as “trans women” are just men. They don’t belong in women’s spaces, the law supports us in this country in excluding them, and they aren’t welcomed in women’s spaces by the majority of women. Men have no business telling us we don’t have the right to a male free space.

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:48

ThatBlackCat · 11/09/2025 08:47

I'll post it for the 7th time:

Yup, 'looks legit' 😂….

UK government thanks. Still waiting…

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:47

Helleofabore · 11/09/2025 08:44

Which claim are you requiring me to provide police data on from this post?

I am using the information from YOUR post, from the data YOU have relied on in that snippet you keep posting.

Why are you asking me to provide police data to support the claim YOU made in your post? You really seems to be unravelling as far as what it is that you are attempting to prove and what your own links say.

The receipts are in the discussion from yesterday. You know that.

Still waiting…

ThatBlackCat · 11/09/2025 08:47

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:41

The data that women are at risk from transwomen to the extent the poster from yesterday claimed?

Conveniently forgotten have we?

I'll post it for the 7th time:

Women’s privacy and dignity
Women’s privacy and dignity
Women’s privacy and dignity
Women’s privacy and dignity
Women’s privacy and dignity
Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 08:46

Oh believe me we recognise sealioning on FWR.

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:45

Helleofabore · 11/09/2025 08:24

Thanks again Howsa

Another great day's work for you. You got the thread back into trending again and new eyes are reading it.

Well done !

Lol, I'm sure anyone but the choir will be able to recognise sea lioing when they see it.

Helleofabore · 11/09/2025 08:44

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 07:43

Please provide police data from UK government confirming your claim.

Which claim are you requiring me to provide police data on from this post?

I am using the information from YOUR post, from the data YOU have relied on in that snippet you keep posting.

Why are you asking me to provide police data to support the claim YOU made in your post? You really seems to be unravelling as far as what it is that you are attempting to prove and what your own links say.

ThatBlackCat · 11/09/2025 08:44

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:40

What part of LESBIANS HAVE LITERALLY BEEN CAUGHT SEXUALLY ASSAULTING WOMEN is not good enough…

See where this illogical point goes?

What part of you are making that up do you think we won't understand. Lesbians don't have penises. Females are not a threat to females.

Your rapey predatorial sex is.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/09/2025 08:44

As Helle says you are just incoherent. We’ll strike out your statement that “even the police admit as much” because it’s clearly made up nonsense, possibly deliberately to confuse people about what you’re actually arguing.

Taztoy · 11/09/2025 08:43

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:41

The data that women are at risk from transwomen to the extent the poster from yesterday claimed?

Conveniently forgotten have we?

And again. The Supreme Court has affirmed my right to say no.

Men are not allowed in single sex women’s spaces.

Entering in defiance of my legally permitted no is a consent violation.

Why won’t you answer me?

AnSolas · 11/09/2025 08:42

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 06:59

All sub groups of people have differing offending rates including male bodied men. See young v old, black v white, poor v rich etc.

"Transgender People, Crime and Prisons – Prevalence
While there is a consistent stream of media attention concerning trans people involved in crime, statistics show cisgender people commit crimes more regularly than trans people. The makeup of the England & Wales (E&W) prison population shows this:
The E & W cisgender population is 59.6 million – the cisgender prison population is 87,900 = 0.15% of people in E & W are in prison.
The E & W trans population is 262,000 – the trans prison population is 268 = 0.1% of trans people in E & W are in prison.
From this statistic, we learn that cisgender people commit crimes at a 50% higher rate than trans people.
Evidence from the research conducted by Olga Suhomlinova and Saoirse Caitlin O’Shea using official statistics dating from 2021 revealed that while 0.5% of the population identify as transgender or non-binary, they represented just 0.2% of the prison population.
Transgender People, Crime and Prisons – Trans Women & Trans Men
Another anomaly in the statistics is that while 96% of the cisgender prison population is male and 4% female, the trans prison population is 84% trans women and 16% trans men. The reasons likely include trans men suffering depression, anxiety, discrimination, unemployment issues, and, consequently, poverty. For safety reasons, trans men nearly always elect to be housed in the female estate. Likewise, as long as not convicted of any violent or threatening act against natal females, trans women should be housed according to the safety risk they face.

https://translucent.org.uk/transgender-people-crime-and-prisons/

Edited

So the study claims that women are being housed within general polulation of Mens Prison.

And would conclude that Karen White should have been housed in the Womens Prison.

And stats:
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/breakdown_of_offences_committed

In the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2021/22, table 2.1 lists the total number of transgender prisoners held as part of the prisoner population in England & Wales.
Specifically for the March 31st 2021 dataset:
Of the 207 transgender prisoners recorded
10 persons had a GRC
197 had no GRC
Of the 197 persons with no GRC 97 (49%) were serving time for sex crimes

Breakdown of offences committed by transgender prisoners, March 2021 - a Freedom of Information request to Ministry of Justice

In the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2021/22, table 2.1 lists the total number of transgender prisoners held as part of the prisoner population in England & Wales. Specifically for the March 31st 2021 dataset: 1) Of the 207 transgender pris...

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/breakdown_of_offences_committed

Howseitgoin · 11/09/2025 08:41

Helleofabore · 11/09/2025 08:40

Data from who and what?

You are the one who wrote 'Even the police admit as much'.

I questioned that and you have not answered what it is that the police are admitting.

Are you spiralling into incoherency?

The data that women are at risk from transwomen to the extent the poster from yesterday claimed?

Conveniently forgotten have we?

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.