Palestine Action protests

It's like those YouTube short videos where they ambush Americans on the street and ask them "name a country starting with A" and the funny Americans look panicked and answer "Africa". And everyone watching can chuckle and go "AHH Americans" or "women" or "Florida" depending on personal prejudice. They are amusing but don't really tell you anything about the actual knowledge level of people from there.

The UK deliberately turns a blind eye to what's happening to the uighurs because of the amount of trade we do with China, but the great 'humanitarians' who are so mobilised over Gaza conveniently turn a blind eye to this. I'm stumped as to the reason why

Then no wonder you're clearly so misinformed 🫣

He has a bias, but TBF in video he posted he made it clear that people on both marches were polite and that there wasn't any trouble (he went to 2 marches one against anti-Semitism and a proPalestine march). The main points seemed to be that there were union jack flags at the pro-Israel/anti anti-Semitism march as well as Israeli flags. At the pro-Palestine march there weren't many UK flags. This was remarked upon as significant. Plus some people were carrying from the river to the sea placards who on being questioned didn't know what they meant. Kisin's opinion seemed to be that from the river to the sea is fundamentally genocidal whereas other people (who do know what the statement means) might disagree with that. But yes the river to the sea thing seemed to be the main point of contention for him. I'm on the fence because on the one hand people should know what slogans they are chanting. But on the other hand he was putting people on the spot a bit street interview styley and I never liked those on principle (as someone who forgets my own name under pressure but that's just me).

But yeah, to summarise it's a very long video of Konstantin Kisin and cameraman walking around a very large protest asking people questions and being answered politely. Some people couldn't say what the slogans they were holding meant which was a bit of a gotcha moment. A slight air of disappointment that nothing more dramatic/confrontational happened. It's not that interesting a video but I guess it's a useful snapshot of how the British protest (more boringly than American students seemingly.)

Do you disagree that the levels of public awareness and media coverage are completely different? Do you really think the Saudi’s actions in Yemen have been similarly covered and protested?

As far as British involvement goes, we are just as involved with other regimes. For example, we cooperate militarily with the Saudis. Obviously each conflict is different and our relations with these countries vary in some ways, but I can’t see any differences there are anything like big enough to justify the huge difference in media and public interest.

Oh I see it now. I thought you were criticising them for going to Rafah but it's just that Rafah is marked further South on the map than it should be. Weird.

Sure. Compare the Google Map image with the 'Global March to Gaza' image.

But a lot of the media attention is due to the relevancy of the role of our air force and our politicians. There's a reason most of the coverage involves action or lack of action of these forces. Unless you're a actively protesting the other conflicts I don't think you'd be saying too much public protest is being "enjoyed" at other causes and given you're informed of the other conflicts you are seeing coverage of them. Do you really not see any relevancy of our media reporting on what our prime minister, foreign secretaries etc are doing or saying about a thousands of women and small children, journalists and health workers being killed by one of our allies?

It was directly addressing your claim that "Of course everyone with an active interest in the ongoing conflict can point to Palestine on a map."

I was pointing out that the Global March to Gaza who were actively trying to reach Gaza could not point to it on a map.

Genuinely not to debate but can you explain what's wrong with.the map you showed. I thought Rafah was the main crossing point to Gaza from Egypt? It's on the news a lot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rafah

Personally though I don’t think the reason for the excessive focus is just anti-semitism, although that’s a factor for some. I think it’s mostly because has been a fashionable leftist cause for decades, partly driven by a successful Palestinian propaganda campaign. Note terms like ‘literal genocide’ and how these are thrown around so much they become accepted as an agreed fact, just like twaw.

Personally, I think it boils down to "people who are GC should (and often are) support Israel because..." Versus "people who are GC should support Palestine/be against the killings in Gaza because...). It's forced teaming either way.

The degree of media exposure and public protest enjoyed by the other conflicts is incomparable to the focus on Israel-Palestine. Look at the number of UN resolutions against Israel vs the entire rest of the world. People like to say it’s because other conflicts are nothing to do with us but that’s disingenuous and untrue. Firstly the focus on Israel is of a completely different magnitude. Secondly, we sell arms to loads of countries, including Saudi Arabia and China.

Call me old fashioned but I thought the onus was on the person making an assertion to provide evidence. I’ve not heard of this Kisin chap but google tells me he is a Russian comedian so I would take his opinions with a very large pinch of salt.

I'm in the south of England and have attended many gender critical events and meetings where I met myriad left wing feminists who were all fervently pro-Israel.

I know many leftwing feminists who are both GC and pro-Palestinian. I take it you are not in the UK or Ireland where gender criticality has been primarily a leftwing cause, rather than the right wing cause it is frequently painted as.

I have no idea what this is about or what it has to do with the PA demonstration.

Absolutely, I don't think I've met anyone who describes themselves as gender critical and also supports Palestine - one is the antithesis of the other.

Never said you accused me of Jew hate. I said you wanted to call supported of Palestine Jews haters and therefore had to cut my post so you weren't called Holocaust survivors Jew haters. If you wanna make that point, go ahead but why take a snippet out of context?

My whole post which made particular reference to why Palestine movement is protesting in the UK including many Jewish groups and Holocaust survivors. Rather than engaging in a critique of any of the actual reasons you want to smear people protesting a genocide that our government has an actual role in and has loudly supported for over a year as "Jew hate". It's a real lazy and uninformed argument unless you're gonna back it up with any logic...which you haven't. I think it's sad you're thinking the world is utterly obsessed with being horrified that a war is slaughtering mostly women and small children, that peopl are suffering a man made famine and our politicians are doing th bare minimum to stop it - gosh why don't people stop being so obsessed 🙄

I never accused you of Jew hate. I'm talking about the pro Palestine movement broadly both in the UK and abroad. The world appears to be utterly obsessed with it.

And no I don't believe the protests are just because the UK is allies with Israel....the UK has been cosy with all manner of dubious regimes and governments over time.

Right, and they should be allowed to do so, but I would draw the line with people trying to blame it on "the Jews" etc etc and there are definitely people trying to do so. My point was really comedycook's argument that most of the pro-palestine protests were coming from a place of antisemitism. I think it's problematic when you assume that, even if in some cases it might well be true. You can't shut down criticism (and that goes for everything, economic policy, migration, etc) with the argument that extremists also try to use those things to cause trouble.

Why bother quoting part of my post out of context? Because it gave a very clear reason why your absurd argument is untrue and that theres logical reasons why protests against our government re Gaza are taking place compared to protests against our government about any other regions conflict?

If you don't want to argue my point, don't take a small part of my post to make a false accusations of "Jew hating", it's lazy. Although I suppose it makes sense why you want to take a line of my post out of context- didn't feel like calling Holocaust survivors Jew haters I guess?

I don't think there is any shortage of people, or any reluctance to criticise Israel's actions in Gaza. Quite the opposite.

Another similarity you could draw is the (apparent) reluctance on some parts of the left to talk about grooming gangs for fear of appearing racist (because immigrants taking the women is a far right talking point). And that not only did that allow the abuse of children to continue but that, in the long run, it enabled genuine far right propaganda against ethnic minorities more of a foothold.
Likewise, not wanting to criticise Israel's actions in Gaza for fear of encouraging anti-Semitic narratives (because untrue stories about Jews killing children is historically anti-Semitic talking point) is likely to backfire...

You can draw all sorts of contradictory parallels between different things to suite your pre-existing positions.

Agree with all of thus ^