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Retired police officer visited by police for missing the A off Freda Wallace's first name

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Charabanc · 06/09/2025 19:31

JFK, I would say you couldn't make this up, but you could. In fact you don't have to. We know it's been happening.

The usual suspects are involved. And hopefully, after Glinner's court case this week, their names and activities will become more well-known.

The former superintendent said police informed her that the home visit was related to a handful of social media posts about a transgender activist named Freda Wallace.

Ms Larkam had called the activist Fred, using the “dead” male name of the now transgender woman, and this act had been reported to the police.
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It is believed that Ms Larkman was reported by a disgraced transgender police officer named Lynsay Watson – a figure with a history of urging the authorities to pursue criminal investigations of people who are critical of gender ideology.

Watson, born Alex Horwood, is believed to have also reported Linehan to the police over several social media posts last week.

https://archive.is/xzitf

ETA: Gah flipping MN link rendering! Got there in the end.

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 12:36

In the short run, I suppose so. A quick and easy way to show successful convictions, with no risk of encountering actual criminals.

Longterm, though, its not a great idea for a functioning society.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 12:33

ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 12:31

Its a bit odd that the police are so overstretched they've decided to stop policing crimes, and instead are going all in with the non-crimes.

Low hanging fruit.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 12:31

Its a bit odd that the police are so overstretched they've decided to stop policing crimes, and instead are going all in with the non-crimes.

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:28

It's one of those weird situations where we've got a Labour government that is basically an AI regurgitating fashionable centre-left opinion...

...and a Home Secretary who makes David Blunkett look like a hippie.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 12:27

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:09

I imagine Sir Mark is eagerly awaiting his first meeting with new Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood. Which should be something out of Armando Ianucci.

Rowley: Good morning Home Secretary, I understand there are some issues around high profile arrests, but my force is constrained by the law and it's an issue for Parliament to sort out

Mahmood: Just hang on a second Mark, what the fucking fuck do your fuckwit officers think they're playing at

I think that's the polite version tbh.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 12:25

Crikey. I cant think of another politico full stop.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 12:25

Charabanc · 08/09/2025 12:00

Looks like Sir Mark Rowley, the head of the Met, wants the law/policing changed around online commuications:

Change law so we can stop policing tweets, demands Met chief

Sir Mark Rowley wants to free police from investigating complaints with no evidence of intended real-world harm

Britain’s most senior police officer is to present the new Home Secretary with proposed law changes “within weeks” aimed at stopping officers from policing tweets, the Telegraph can disclose.

Sir Mark Rowley, the head of the Met Police, is proposing a shake-up of legislation that would give officers greater discretion to use “common sense” when deciding whether to record and investigate complaints about comments on social media.

He wants Shabana Mahmood, the new Home Secretary, to change the rules so police officers are not required to record or investigate complaints when there is no evidence the suspect intended real-world harm.

The changes could also significantly reduce the requirement for police to record and attend non-crime hate incidents, which have included cases such as a nine-year-old calling a primary school classmate a “retard”.

Change law so we can stop policing tweets, demands Met chief

Define 'no real world harm'.

Is this a get out of jail free card to justify ignoring persistent harassment as well as policing that thinks calling someone who goes by the name Freda as Fred is 'hate' and deserving of a police visit.

That interview when on about reforming the the recording of 'non hate crime' (or not a crime at all but something that some people don't like) rather than talking about getting rid of non hate crime completely.

It's bollocks however you cut it.

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:22

I still love that line Shabana came out with when she was put in charge of the Batley and Spen by-election. "Batley Muslims are fucking weird, it's like Birmingham 25 years ago."

I can't think of another senior Labour figure who would say that.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 12:20

I find potty mouth on politicians oddly reassuring.

peter capaldi what GIF
SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 12:09

I imagine Sir Mark is eagerly awaiting his first meeting with new Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood. Which should be something out of Armando Ianucci.

Rowley: Good morning Home Secretary, I understand there are some issues around high profile arrests, but my force is constrained by the law and it's an issue for Parliament to sort out

Mahmood: Just hang on a second Mark, what the fucking fuck do your fuckwit officers think they're playing at

Charabanc · 08/09/2025 12:00

Looks like Sir Mark Rowley, the head of the Met, wants the law/policing changed around online commuications:

Change law so we can stop policing tweets, demands Met chief

Sir Mark Rowley wants to free police from investigating complaints with no evidence of intended real-world harm

Britain’s most senior police officer is to present the new Home Secretary with proposed law changes “within weeks” aimed at stopping officers from policing tweets, the Telegraph can disclose.

Sir Mark Rowley, the head of the Met Police, is proposing a shake-up of legislation that would give officers greater discretion to use “common sense” when deciding whether to record and investigate complaints about comments on social media.

He wants Shabana Mahmood, the new Home Secretary, to change the rules so police officers are not required to record or investigate complaints when there is no evidence the suspect intended real-world harm.

The changes could also significantly reduce the requirement for police to record and attend non-crime hate incidents, which have included cases such as a nine-year-old calling a primary school classmate a “retard”.

Change law so we can stop policing tweets, demands Met chief

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ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 12:00

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 11:25

AI says:

In England and Wales, a person can be declared a vexatious litigant under Section 42 of the Senior Courts Act 1981. The process is initiated by the Attorney General, not an individual, and requires the High Court to find that the person has "habitually and persistently and without any reasonable ground" instituted vexatious legal proceedings. This is a severe and uncommon action, meant to address a long-term abuse of the court system.

So that would suggest it's up to Sir Keir's mate Lord Hermer.

This chap.

https://members.parliament.uk/member/5365/contact

However, in Scotland, it would be ...

https://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/lord-advocate/

Dorothy Bain! Da-da-daaaaaah.

Yeah, I don't think that'll happen, will it.

Lord Advocate

Summary for Lord Advocate

https://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/lord-advocate/

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 11:41

ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 11:15

What is mean is - who makes the charge?

The defence (civil case) can bring it to the attention of the judge or directly looks for an injunction to stop court actions

As I understand the judge makes a ruling normally that all filings have to be pre-approved by the court as this prevents the filer from forcing their target to react.
Along with respecting the individuals right to access the courts)

FaithHopeCarnage · 08/09/2025 11:29

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 10:42

Policing in the UK is not derived from top down authoritative power. It comes from consensus from the public.

It should be about what the public want and consent to NOT what the police want to police.

They've forgotten who they serve.

The old ‘policing by consent’ chestnut. Another issue is that the 43 forces operate virtually in silos. There is little coordination or information sharing, despite various steps to address this. Things like PNC and PND (Police National Computer - criminal records/Police National Database - soft intelligence) are supposed to mitigate this, however there is disparity in how each force completes entries, different categorisation etc. There are regional coordinators for separate areas, whereby each RC is responsible for 5-6 forces in a particular field, eg modern slavery, to drive a uniform approach but these are dependent on Home Office funding according to priorities and have varying degrees of success. So it’s easy to see how the extent to which bad faith actors can go undetected if operating in the virtual sphere. Bad times.

SionnachRuadh · 08/09/2025 11:25

AI says:

In England and Wales, a person can be declared a vexatious litigant under Section 42 of the Senior Courts Act 1981. The process is initiated by the Attorney General, not an individual, and requires the High Court to find that the person has "habitually and persistently and without any reasonable ground" instituted vexatious legal proceedings. This is a severe and uncommon action, meant to address a long-term abuse of the court system.

So that would suggest it's up to Sir Keir's mate Lord Hermer.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 11:15

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 10:34

On the technical end I dont think anyone can claim that a judge makes the case of a person being a vexatious litigant.

The vexatious litigant makes the case by action and filing eg filing multiple cases one after the other with poor evidence etc after been told by the Courts that there is no substantive case with a vague hope that the underlying law will change.

But one thing the court cases will do is force the various police bodies to have a serious look at what they want to be policing. Or more importantly what they want to be seen to be policing.

The senoir officers need to bring the public with them when it comes to dealing with public order on the streets. The balance of scale in not using someones name correctly as a insult to that person against someone using SM to organise a riot or murder people is why they are making moves to have the laws changed.

What is mean is - who makes the charge?

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2025 10:42

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 10:34

On the technical end I dont think anyone can claim that a judge makes the case of a person being a vexatious litigant.

The vexatious litigant makes the case by action and filing eg filing multiple cases one after the other with poor evidence etc after been told by the Courts that there is no substantive case with a vague hope that the underlying law will change.

But one thing the court cases will do is force the various police bodies to have a serious look at what they want to be policing. Or more importantly what they want to be seen to be policing.

The senoir officers need to bring the public with them when it comes to dealing with public order on the streets. The balance of scale in not using someones name correctly as a insult to that person against someone using SM to organise a riot or murder people is why they are making moves to have the laws changed.

Policing in the UK is not derived from top down authoritative power. It comes from consensus from the public.

It should be about what the public want and consent to NOT what the police want to police.

They've forgotten who they serve.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/09/2025 10:41

Chersfrozenface · 08/09/2025 10:39

Where has Felix got to?

Used to be very keen on copsplaining "malicious communications".

Maybe he was found out to be spending too much working time lecturing women online?

Chersfrozenface · 08/09/2025 10:39

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2025 23:16

Maybe one of our resident scolders can come along and enlighten us.

Where has Felix got to?

Used to be very keen on copsplaining "malicious communications".

AnSolas · 08/09/2025 10:34

ArabellaSaurus · 07/09/2025 21:11

It would be a judge who would make the case of a person being a vexatious litigant, I assume?

On the technical end I dont think anyone can claim that a judge makes the case of a person being a vexatious litigant.

The vexatious litigant makes the case by action and filing eg filing multiple cases one after the other with poor evidence etc after been told by the Courts that there is no substantive case with a vague hope that the underlying law will change.

But one thing the court cases will do is force the various police bodies to have a serious look at what they want to be policing. Or more importantly what they want to be seen to be policing.

The senoir officers need to bring the public with them when it comes to dealing with public order on the streets. The balance of scale in not using someones name correctly as a insult to that person against someone using SM to organise a riot or murder people is why they are making moves to have the laws changed.

ArabellaSaurus · 08/09/2025 08:22

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2025 22:26

I don't think that a lot of these people actually find it offensive.I genuinely think it is about compelling others to obey/submit and/or conceal something more than your sex and/or being in control.

The common theme Ive noticed with a lot of the most batshit stuff, is that being right or reasoned doesn't matter. The method doesn't matter. Ethics? The only thing that matters is winning and dominating others at all costs.

Its not normal to get that upset when someone gets your name wrong. I don't think its an 'alarm and distress thing'. Not wishing to use pronouns or new names is about this 'winning'.

We are told they haven't changed, its just their body that was wrong. One of the things that constantly got said to me was "but he's still the same person", but thats just it, you are supposed to treat them as if they are completely new people and in a different way. You are supposed to treat in line with gender stereotypes in many cases. Its trying to control other peoples behaviour, in multiple ways. In practical terms they are not the same person and thats the point and problem.

I've always been struck by how I felt in my early twenties about wanting to 'escape' my past. This was after having a lot of resentment at being female. It took me to the other side of the world. I wanted to reinvent myself. I saw so many elements of the same in my brother. Its in line with a history of trauma - it could very much be a trauma response. Its part of identify formation, coming of age and becoming independant of parents; its a natural process that can be bumpier for some than others.

But we shouldn't see this as one dimensional. It can be multi faceted and thats where it can get sticky. Its more understandable if that reasoning is trauma or related to neurodiversity, but its not the only reason.

It is very curious to see who seems to currently engaging most in SLAPPing techniques in transgender circles presently. What unites them other than that?

The room keeps getting filled with large grey mammals.

Vulnerable narcissism.

Narc supply. Even negative attention is attention.

Some of this is just sad losers using any means available to upset, control, affect others.

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2025 23:16

MyrtleLion · 07/09/2025 23:07

It is quite the mantrum.

I'd like to know which criminal offences "deadnaming" and "misgendering" (correctly sexing) come under.

Maybe one of our resident scolders can come along and enlighten us.

MyrtleLion · 07/09/2025 23:07

It is quite the mantrum.

I'd like to know which criminal offences "deadnaming" and "misgendering" (correctly sexing) come under.

Brainworm · 07/09/2025 22:49

NotAtMyAge · 07/09/2025 21:49

Looks like his ranty thread hasn't garnered much reaction so far. Poor "Linsay"...

Sad times