GUM clinic asked for gender.....

Are you seriously not understanding that it is necessary for medical staff to know your sex before treatment? You realise men and women differ on more than just the physical level right?

Really annoys me, I was asked my “gender” by an online pharmacy when buying norethisterone to delay my period! Nothing about sex, it’s negligent actually

Its the same with my Filipino colleges because Talagog doesn’t have gendered/sexed pronouns. We all cope.

I agree - hospitals are usually keen to document 'preferred name' but as a doctor I'm not very good at spotting it, but I do try.

On a lighter note, it makes me think of Paddington bear & Mr Gruber - who is always 'Mr Gruber' and calls Paddington 'Mr Brown' which I love

Mandarin has unsexed third person pronouns iirc. So for Mandarin speakers “ta” means “he” and “she”.

That Bluesky post is ridiculous. There is nothing inherently humiliating about being male or being female.

The Chinese students I had a few years back completely randomly applied pronouns to people they talked about, dd's Malaysian flatmate does the same, we all survived this unscathed. Hell, nobody has pronounced my name correctly in the 30+ years I've now lived in English speaking countries, and it's often misspelled (both first and last name) and I couldn't care less.

Yet apparently, according to this poster, JK Rowling’s words should be read to be implicitly saying something that only a person with a very malicious intention would try to twist her words to mean.

Adding to this, of course there are other reasons why someone would twist the words of JK Rowling to mean something that is clearly illogical when viewing what has been written and not even logical with context. It is not just out of malicious intent.

Well, quite.

However, when someone enters a thread already showing their prejudiced views about many of the regular posting community in the very first post, I think that it was always apparent that this poster has dehumanised women who reject a group’s claim that male people can ever be female and should be treated as being female.

I wish you luck. Perhaps a lesson in not dehumanising women so those women don’t deserve empathy is just the ticket for the many activists who demand male people be treated as female people.

Yes Red.

As you, me, and zillion others have pointed out it is disconnected to demand society changes the way they interact with someone to become a personalised service and state it is lifesaving while declaring gender dysphoria is not a mental health issue.

What other group in society has so much being done to keep a group of people comfortable where they don’t have to acknowledge material reality, just their personal interpretation of reality?

I know that previous posters has issues, and have been working with him on kindness and empathy. For today, im modelling giving others the benefit of the doubt and not jumping straight to giving their words the worst interpretation. It’s part of my #helptheafflicted work as apparently mocking them is wrong 😇

yes. It could be read that way.

Just like the following post can be read like a comment that the man insisting on being called ‘Mr X’ is demented.

“One of my elderly neighbours who we in our street regularly all socialise with & have known for years, expects us all to still refer to him as 'Mr' not by his first name. If that's his preference big deal.”

”It's really just first world problems & frankly demented to agonise over such minor issues.”

I mean, it could be easily interpreted multiple ways.

Yet apparently, according to this poster, JK Rowling’s words should be read to be implicitly saying something that only a person with a very malicious intention would try to twist her words to mean.

They are reporting the 111 page for asking the question, so now someone has to deal with this shite.

It wastes so much NHS resources.

If it's gives so much anxiety, they need treatment for the anxiety so they can function like normal human beings in the real world.

They can't simultaneously claim it's not a mental health problem and claim they can't cope with being asked their sex for health reasons.

If there's so much ignorance about why this is important, then start a bloody awareness campaign amongst the trans community about why it's necessary to ensure the highest standards of treatment and prevent harm.

It's ridiculous and should be treated accordingly.

Indeed.

Women explaining why they won’t use wrong sex pronouns = “screeching hysterical banshees over pronouns of all things”

People experiencing extreme anxiety at not having their demand for pronouns met** = need to be made comfortable and protected.

(**even in medical notes which are rarely seen by patients)

i think more @Howseitgoin was referring to the blue haired pronoun brigade who scream blue murder if misgendered and if no one notices their extreme specialness.

What I can't figure out is why it's only supposed to be British women who should have a stiff upper lip, rather than those claiming to be the wrong sex and having epic meltdowns and claiming they will die because they have been asked for their sex.

Never said to this bunch though:
https://bsky.app/profile/sexabolition.blog/post/3lxh3tpn3n224

The absolute state of this thread is special.

You need to read it for yourselves to see the level at which far too many individuals have got to, because they havent been told to belt up and just get on with it instead of being affirmed mindlessly.

This is the consequences of years of promoting no debate and affirmative only approaches.

“As far as 'hurt feelings' go, whatever happened to the good ol British 'Stiff upper Lip'? To think after all the Brits put up with & 'carried on & kept calm' many have resorted to a mob mentality of screeching hysterical banshees over pronouns of all things.”

It is remarkable to see people claiming to be advocating for inclusivity and tolerance post this kind of post. Culturally insensitive and misogynistic. This really is ‘shut the fuck up you stupid British women’.

I remember reading about that female patient who did not disclose to the hospital that they were female and all documentation referred to them being male. Didn’t it take something like three weeks inpatient care for the team to work out that the patient was female and the results for all the tests had been interpreted in the male range?

Meaning that she almost died because she didn’t once mention to anyone that she was female despite all the documentation.

Then there was the female patient would lost their baby because the medical team had documentation saying the patient was male. And no one, including the patient, knew that the patient was in the late stage of pregnancy.

Lying about your sex class is incongruent to receiving a high standard of medical care.

Comfort levels are irrelevant to making a diagnosis of prostate cancer or identifying a pregnancy or dispensing your prescription or working out just how badly your kidneys are working.

Sad times.

Biology is transphobic.

Take mother nature to court. She deserves it.

It's the Gum clinic. They literally need to know which specialist 'genital inspector' you need to be allocated to and seen by!

Maybe we should avoid the sad times this creates and just sack all the 'genital inspectors' to avoid offending dickheads?

Seems reasonable and the only trans friendly option. It's not like the gynaecologist is going to be able to help much with lady penis issues, so we should make them all redundant if they aren't prepared to act as a trans affirmation prop. Bigots. If these precious flowers are so sensitive about even admitting their sex, then the idea of being asked to flop their friend out is possibly going to give them PTSD. Though that's a valid grifting opportunity right there.

More generally they need to know if your stats and doseages need to be within the male range or the female range and they need to know whether to look for male symptoms or female systems because certain conditions present differently if you have XX chromosomes or XY chromosomes. Finally there's the sticky issue of female only conditions (pregnancy or ovarian cancer for example) or (prostate cancer).

They need to know not play a game of guess who which wastes precious time. Someone looking at the data for paperwork might not have the benefit of seeing the person concerned (when it's usually fairly fucking obvious) - eg when doing bloods or working out doseages.

Pronouns are fucking irrelevant for the purposes of being the person analysis results or calculating your prescription as you might not even be patient facing.

"Oh well want to be treated with dignity, and literally be given treatment for the wrong sex whilst demanding equal standards of care" is not bloody possible.

Everything offends and humiliates these dickheads who are this extreme. Yesterday amused me when a group sat in the court where the barristers sit and had to be moved and they screeched about how humiliating it was. Everything is 'humiliating'. It ceases to have any meaning and ultimately it's got fuck all to do with being sensitive and discrimination and everything to do with being a gigantic obnoxious knobhead. Which correct pronoun usage wouldn't fix anyway.

Sadly there is no medical cure for that level of stupidity.

Research shows patient health outcomes are influenced by their comfort levels in hospitals. Its why if a patient asks for a female/Chinese/Spanish/Black doctor its a better health outcome. A lot like why its best that if a female feels uncomfortable sharing a room with a trans women they shouldn't have to.

As far as 'hurt feelings' go, whatever happened to the good ol British 'Stiff upper Lip'? To think after all the Brits put up with & 'carried on & kept calm' many have resorted to a mob mentality of screeching hysterical banshees over pronouns of all things.

Doctors/nurses reports might be written that way tho. As in 'Patient was administered X meds & 'he' reported symptoms of Y'.

Yes; DMiL could cope with being called by the wrong name when she was compos mentis even if she didn’t like it, but in her last years she was sometimes confused and it really didn’t help.

You are just reinforcing my point, it is polite to use names. You call your neighbour Mr Whatever, you don't call him "he" to his face or in his presence.

Is is rude to refer to someone as he or she in their presence, you use their name. So how is using pronouns, whether correct or not, being polite?

Sex is relevant in healthcare where hurt feelings cannot kill you a misdiagnosis can