EHRC has now sent its new guidance to ministers

Well I reckon Starmer knew on Monday she was off! So definitely some planning there!

Wes Streeting is staying in post, very good news on the blokes in the ladies saga for the NHS.

Looking at it it really was not planned - https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-keir-starmer-forced-into-sweeping-reshuffle-angela-rayner-deputy-quits/

If the burden is on service providers to make it clear that SS spaces are for people of one sex, and they comply in word but not deed, where does that leave female service users, does anyone know?

Successfully suing the service provider for sexual harassment and discrimination.

If the burden is on service providers to make it clear that SS spaces are for people of one sex, and they comply in word but not deed, where does that leave female service users, does anyone know?

Can a service provider say, however disingenuously, that they thought all the people going into e.g. the women's changing room were women? Does that leave a man who goes in personally liable (guilty of voyeurism/flashing) or does the service provider have any responsibility to stop men going in?

I'm wondering about the sticky issue of 'passing' and what would happen in practice if the service provider wasn't actually on board in a world where so many people are very dedicated to pretending they can't tell someone's sex?

I assume this won't be such an issue with male employees, but in places where employees are dealing with the general public?

On Reddit trans uk there have been quite a few posts recently where people identifying as the opposite sex have been told to use the correct toilet or a third space by their workplace. Cue lots of impotent rage.

It is insane that I live in a time where the idea that access to single sex spaces depends on one's sex is controversial. Insane.

Was it really oh ok - in that case I cannot imagine government is so failing to be joined up that the guidance was sent tomPhillipson only for her to move that day…?

Apparently the whole thing is "hugely complicated".

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/sep/05/equalities-watchdog-response-uk-supreme-court-transgender-ruling

Well the reshuffle is thanks to today's events! Quite possible Bridget Phillpson will not be equalities minister come Monday

I do hope this reshuffle does not screw things up...

The TRAs that masterminded the plan that was very successful, but doomed to fail eventually, are the ones most scared. Their plan was to instigate ‘trans inclusive’ policy and establish this as the norm so if/when organisations were made aware of the law people would laugh at such an outdated law (like the illegality of flying kites in London) and it would swiftly be amended.

They know that in establishing perfectly acceptable third options, the sympathy they prey on will dissipate because everyone will see that this is perfectly fine and doesn’t deny privacy or dignity. It’s what they were hoping for in reverse, but their blind spot regarding the number of disordered, disturbed and disturbing individuals who label themselves ‘transwomen’, foiled their cunning plan.

Call me childish, petty, even vindictive but I love it when they ask for a debate, because it gives me the chance to shout No Debate, your game, your rules NO DEBATE. I find it very therapeutic. 😁

I think, as @Boiledbeetle says, they will just hold their hands up and say "we are being forced, it's not us, sorry" then roll over and forget about it. what else can they do?

"Helen Joyce, the director of advocacy at Sex Matters, the campaign group, said: “Far too many organisations have been using the excuse that they are waiting for this guidance, even though the Supreme Court made the law clear in its judgment in the case of For Women Scotland in April.”

She added that the new code of practice must “leave no loopholes for those still seeking ways not to comply”.

I'm sure the Good Law Project will manage to find a couple of things that they think identify as loopholes, (only to have their arse handed to them on a plate yet again) if it means they can keep their grift and begging for money routine going a bit longer.

But hopefully we'll start to see more companies just going for "Sorry Chardonnay the laws the law, our hands are tied and you'll just have to use the gents" to those men in their staff that complain.

I’m waiting with interest to see how Girlguiding tries to wriggle out of this, in light of their update sent to members on Wednesday.

Yes I think Betterbe was right as are you.

I think M&S is leaving itself open to an indirect sex discrimination claim from women because only providing mixed sex changing rooms poses more of a risk to women then men because of the risk of sexual assault is higher for women. That is

I know the EHRC cannot change the law but what I was thinking of was M&S's move to mixed sex changing cubicles from single sex spaces. That's happened recently and the photos on the adjacent walls lead you to believe you are in a single sex space.