EHRC has now sent its new guidance to ministers

Poor Baroness Falkner - you can tell how irritated she is by all the whining. I hope Mary Ann Stephenson is at least as tough.

About time

Yes, that’s how I took it too. Because if they don’t follow a just and reasonable process in discriminating legally they could be liable for claims from both women and trans people on a number of grounds.

Given the whole Supreme Court Case and ruling was purely about whether a GRC changes sex under the Equality Act, it was hardly a ‘detail’

Baroness Kishwer Falkner, chairwoman of the EHRC, told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme: “I think it’s going to be difficult for duty bearers, service providers, to adapt a ruling which is quite black and white into practical steps according to their own circumstances and their own organisation, which is why we’ve always emphasised they should take their own advice as well as adhering to our code.”

How can they take their own advice?

Or does she mean asking so expert, who surely should be following whatever these guidelines say.

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/adapting-gender-ruling-practical-steps-081216837.html

Agree, but this is the sort of detail I am wondering whether the EHRC is going to deal with.

And also, although I am totally behind the ruling, this will no doubt bring on another round of men with GRCs have been betrayed, and then those under 10,000 people will become the foundation on which every self identifying, non binary combination (ie life style choice) will pile in and the EHRC will be under attack again.

I suppose I am just thinking that more and more we may have laws, or guidelines on behaviour or whatever but entitled groups always think none of this pertains to them, because they are so special.

And sadly some politicians will support them.

It will only change when and if, and that is if ever, the public as a whole and all those who feel entitled to comentate do so from the perspective that this is a women's rights issues.

But it never is seen like this. It is always about a tiny oppressed minority whose lives are being ruined by that horrid powerful majority women.

The Supreme Court was clear that trans identified men with a GRC are still men under the Equality Act so the code of practice must reflect that.

Nobody thinks that!

Its just going to be interesting to see how the EHRC allows for those with a GRC, and does not (we hope) just think toilets meant for people with disabilities just get co-opted into if you are not sure use them!

I have not. But everyone involved has said there are no substantive changes. Men are not suddenly allowed in the ladies for example.

There are an awful lot who claim not to understand the Supreme Court ruling. But if it said ‘should’ then it would have been leapt on. As anyone who has had to argue education provision for their child, or whether the LA provide transport to school, knows, ‘should’ is just a recommendation they don’t have to follow. ‘Must’ is mandatory. TRAs would never have missed ‘should’ had the SC said that.

"We dont know what it says.

We many not like it."

Just to add to the reply from @SingleSexSpacesInSchools , it is not the role of the EHRC to determine the law or the interpret the Equality Act.

The EHRC’s role is to provide guidance to assist people to understand and comply with their rights and obligations under the Act.

Regardless of what the guidance says, it is entirely down to, as you say, what the law says and what the Supreme Court has said that the law means.

If you say so. I think the ordinary person in the street would understand.

Have you seen it?

The EHRC isn't telling the Government single sex facilites should be based on sex.

The Supreme Court has ruled that it should be!

No, the Supreme Court has ruled that it MUST be.

Must and should are legally very different.

It's also insane that figuring out what sex other people are, or even what sex you are yourself, is apparently "complicated".

It’s the same as the April one with additional examples and making the whole thing water tight. The fundamentals aren’t changing. They cant. Phillipson wont commit suicide by Farage, so she will nod it through, we wait 40 days, that’s it, binding.

Even more fuming Shabana Mahmood now is Home Secretary and she is a long time supporter of Labour Women's Declaration.

When aren’t they!

Sorry haven't read thread so this point may have been made, but:

The EHRC isn't telling the Government single sex facilites should be based on sex.

The Supreme Court has ruled that it should be!

The EHRC has to illustrate who this legal instruction should be carried out.

We dont know what it says.

We many not like it.

The Government may not like it.

I am not sure if Phillipson can tell the EHRC to change it.

And if they do whether it will make a difference that very soon Baroness Falkner will be gone and it will be down to Mary-Ann Stephenson.

Bridget stays :D
https://x.com/bphillipsonMP/status/1964005972013138325