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Feminist activist sent to prison for ‘Allah is lesbian’ T-shirt - Morocco

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IwantToRetire · 05/09/2025 01:48

A feminist activist has been sent to prison for two-and-a-half years because of messages on a T-shirt she wore in a selfie posted online.

The shirt featured the word “Allah” in Arabic, followed by the words “is lesbian” in English.

Ibtissam Lachgar was charged with blasphemy and with disseminating the image online.

She was found guilty of violating part of Morocco’s criminal code that outlaws offending the monarchy or Islam, her lawyer, Naïma El Guellaf, said.

A member of Ms Lachgar’s legal team said they plan to appeal the conviction.

Article continues at https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/morocco-islam-prison-ibtissam-lachgar-b2819995.html

Feminist activist sent to prison for ‘Allah is lesbian’ T-shirt

The jailing of Ibtissam Lachgar has incensed human rights groups

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/morocco-islam-prison-ibtissam-lachgar-b2819995.html

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MrsTerryPratchett · 06/09/2025 22:36

20thcenturygirlwithherhandsonthewheel · 06/09/2025 21:30

Well, it’s certainly not a decision I would make.

What’s the bounds of that?

You wouldn’t protest and get arrested for free speech. Is there anything you would protest and get arrested for?
Would you for the vote?
Would you against child marriage?
Would you against genocide?

Because some people wouldn’t, a lot wouldn’t, possibly most. Many say they would who wouldn’t.

Everyone thinks they would stand up to tyranny and wouldn’t. And that isn’t a surprise. The surprise is saying that someone else shouldn’t.

EasternStandard · 06/09/2025 22:33

Surprised at anyone defending this arrest. How depressing.

AliasGrace47 · 06/09/2025 22:24

mumofoneAloneandwell · 06/09/2025 22:11

A lot of these 'i love going to Dubai on holiday' types were defending his imprisonment 😭😭, saying welp thats the law there, gotta obey it

But they will scream about getting a parking ticket in the uk on their badly parked suv 🙄🙄

Weird group of people

Exactly. Incredible hypocrisy. Even if he HAD known what the law was, which I v much doubt, I can't believe people are defending it as 'Another country, their place, their rules.' Cultural relativism gone much too far...🙄

mumofoneAloneandwell · 06/09/2025 22:11

AliasGrace47 · 06/09/2025 02:00

Yes, I think quite a few people commenting probably thought she was a foreigner walking in. I wish they'd read the article properly!

Still, I do think that it's worrying how people are seemingly defending blasphemy laws. It reminds me of Markus Fakana, the 18yo who was imprisoned in Dubai for consensual sex with a 17yo. Quite a few posts on threads about it were defending the imprisonment and seemed unconcerned by how draconian the law was.. (Luckily Markus is free now).

Sometimes I wonder if it's an effect of fundamentalist propaganda. I'm probs over suspicious, - otoh a lot of Western people seem brainwashed by Hamas. We know for instance they are trying to influence opinion by funding Middle Eastern studies uni courses in America (funding via sympathetic countries,, obvs not directly from Hamas)

A lot of these 'i love going to Dubai on holiday' types were defending his imprisonment 😭😭, saying welp thats the law there, gotta obey it

But they will scream about getting a parking ticket in the uk on their badly parked suv 🙄🙄

Weird group of people

mumofoneAloneandwell · 06/09/2025 22:08

Morocco is quite moderate apparently, according to the article

Then again, moderate in comparison to Saudi Arabia doesnt mean much

So I can see that she is trying to bring about change for gays and lesbians

Maybe Morocco will become more tolerant, and repeal some of the anti same sex couple laws and lead the way for liberalism there

I'm getting older 😭😭 so don't feel incensed by this injustice like I wouldve done during my student days

But I do see what she is trying to do. Hopefully the appeal will go her way. 2.5 years is a lot

AliasGrace47 · 06/09/2025 22:05

20thcenturygirlwithherhandsonthewheel · 06/09/2025 21:30

Well, it’s certainly not a decision I would make.

Nor would I! But I'm glad there are people who do. It's like unjust laws anywhere, someone has to start & it's somewhat easier then for others to follow, hopefully..

AliasGrace47 · 06/09/2025 22:02

20thcenturygirlwithherhandsonthewheel · 06/09/2025 21:30

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I love that book, as you might have guessed 🤣 What do you think of it?

Margaret Attwood has written a lot of good books, it's a shame quite a few people only know The Handmaid's Tale. Imo The Blind Assassin, Oryx & Crake & Cat's Eye were all good.

20thcenturygirlwithherhandsonthewheel · 06/09/2025 21:30

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20thcenturygirlwithherhandsonthewheel · 06/09/2025 21:30

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 18:39

The point was surely to get arrested as protest. Not done out of ignorance.

Well, it’s certainly not a decision I would make.

AnSolas · 06/09/2025 08:07

AliasGrace47 · 06/09/2025 02:00

Yes, I think quite a few people commenting probably thought she was a foreigner walking in. I wish they'd read the article properly!

Still, I do think that it's worrying how people are seemingly defending blasphemy laws. It reminds me of Markus Fakana, the 18yo who was imprisoned in Dubai for consensual sex with a 17yo. Quite a few posts on threads about it were defending the imprisonment and seemed unconcerned by how draconian the law was.. (Luckily Markus is free now).

Sometimes I wonder if it's an effect of fundamentalist propaganda. I'm probs over suspicious, - otoh a lot of Western people seem brainwashed by Hamas. We know for instance they are trying to influence opinion by funding Middle Eastern studies uni courses in America (funding via sympathetic countries,, obvs not directly from Hamas)

Just a FYI
Being alone with a man can get one arrested there.

The Idea that there should be ony one way to worship is imo a key driver in removing any chance of education from afghan women. Keeping women uneducated removes a drive for change.

Women who protest with small things and are repressed by the State show the power inbalance as (in most cases) they risk more.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/09/2025 02:33

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/09/2025 05:20

I’m pretty stunned on FWR that her right to peaceful protest in her own country is being argued with.

I'm not.Sad

Heggettypeg · 06/09/2025 02:31

ScholesPanda · 05/09/2025 15:47

I think blasphemy laws and laws against same sex relationships are a load of old shit.

I absolutely support this woman.

Unlike others though I'm not really surprised to see these reactions on FWR. This has become more of a gender critical space than a feminist space, and some gender critical people feel that way because they're religious and/or culturally conservative.

Remember that anyone can post on this board. We can't stop them unless they break Mumsnet rules of engagement, and in most cases people don't want to stop them; they'd rather have a discussion.
We get posters who are neither gender critical nor feminist, and a few of them are here purely to annoy.

AliasGrace47 · 06/09/2025 02:00

TempestTost · 06/09/2025 00:18

I think it's a valid and interesting political move and she surely fully expected to be arrested.

The point, I expect, is to create a significant court case which defines the limits of free speech in relation to blasphemy laws.

What the courts will decide, who knows, but this is one way contested issues in a society are dealt with.

I don't think it's appropriate for outsiders and visitors to do these things while in a differernt country. It muddies the waters as well as being rather paternalistic in many cases.

Yes, I think quite a few people commenting probably thought she was a foreigner walking in. I wish they'd read the article properly!

Still, I do think that it's worrying how people are seemingly defending blasphemy laws. It reminds me of Markus Fakana, the 18yo who was imprisoned in Dubai for consensual sex with a 17yo. Quite a few posts on threads about it were defending the imprisonment and seemed unconcerned by how draconian the law was.. (Luckily Markus is free now).

Sometimes I wonder if it's an effect of fundamentalist propaganda. I'm probs over suspicious, - otoh a lot of Western people seem brainwashed by Hamas. We know for instance they are trying to influence opinion by funding Middle Eastern studies uni courses in America (funding via sympathetic countries,, obvs not directly from Hamas)

TempestTost · 06/09/2025 00:18

I think it's a valid and interesting political move and she surely fully expected to be arrested.

The point, I expect, is to create a significant court case which defines the limits of free speech in relation to blasphemy laws.

What the courts will decide, who knows, but this is one way contested issues in a society are dealt with.

I don't think it's appropriate for outsiders and visitors to do these things while in a differernt country. It muddies the waters as well as being rather paternalistic in many cases.

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 20:22

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/09/2025 20:11

I feel like the feminist cavalry has arrived. Thanks @AliasGrace47

Thanks! I must get on w work, but couldn't leave such infuriating responses unanswered. People should think twice before condoning blasphemy laws and condemning peaceful protest, surprised that needs to be said!

User37482 · 05/09/2025 20:20

Even the concept of “offending Islam” is wrong headed. What they mean is offended muslims. It shows a lack of philosophical introspection imo. In the UK (at the moment) there is no law against offending a religion as a religion cannot legally be a party (I don’t know the correct legal terms). You can’t sue a religion for example, you can sue institutions or people.

I imagine she fully knows what would happen and she is drumming up support for the freedom of expression. I wish her well.

Thelnebriati · 05/09/2025 20:14

The Iranian regime released Ahoo Daryae (who protested the hijab laws by removing all of her clothes) probably because of the publicity. It would be good to get a similar result.

MrsTerryPratchett · 05/09/2025 20:11

I feel like the feminist cavalry has arrived. Thanks @AliasGrace47

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 19:28

Tam285 · 05/09/2025 19:10

2 1/2 years for wearing a t-shirt in an online photo, not even in public! That is crazy.

Yes, an even weirder that on a forum that's normally suspicious of Islam, people are defending draconian blasphemy laws!

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 19:27

IwantToRetire · 05/09/2025 18:41

Does seem really strange that on FWR no one understands that sometimes taking a stand on an issue you are totally committed to could lead to being arrested.

Have we forgotten the suffragettes? Or MLK, Mandela & Gandhi's movements...? 🤦‍♀️

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 05/09/2025 19:18

Alicealig · 05/09/2025 02:23

I think that's where she should be. By all means do that in the UK if you feel the need to express yourself, that's great, but when you go to visit another country as a visitor and knowingly insult and antagonise them by breaking their laws then you need removing from that society. You're a public menace and a nuisance and she might think twice before being so insulting and narcissistic.

She's not a visitor. She's a MOROCCAN woman, campaigning in her own country for women's rights.

Tam285 · 05/09/2025 19:10

2 1/2 years for wearing a t-shirt in an online photo, not even in public! That is crazy.

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 18:58

Alicealig · 05/09/2025 02:23

I think that's where she should be. By all means do that in the UK if you feel the need to express yourself, that's great, but when you go to visit another country as a visitor and knowingly insult and antagonise them by breaking their laws then you need removing from that society. You're a public menace and a nuisance and she might think twice before being so insulting and narcissistic.

'Need removing from society', 'public menace' 'think twice before being so insulting and narcissistic' - very aggressive language to describe a woman wearing a T shirt.

Do you really believe Moroccans are so delicate and fragile that this woman is a danger to them?

May I ask if you are a Muslim?

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 18:49

hattie43 · 05/09/2025 05:07

A pretty stupid thing to do .

She was making a deliberate protest. A brave woman.

Do you support this blasphemy law?

AliasGrace47 · 05/09/2025 18:48

Silverbirchleaf · 05/09/2025 03:20

Just read the article and saw that her defence are saying that she’s allowed freedom of speech, as permitted in Morocco. Fair enough, they have a valid point. However, she was pretty stupid and it was a provocative slogan, and bound to cause offence. She should have known better.

I doubt she's stupid. She is deliberately protesting for free speech, esp around controversial issues to do w lesbian rights and feminism.

Why should she have 'known better'? Why aren't you applauding her courage at protesting these unjust laws? So women should just shut up and know their place then?

Do you agree w blasphemy laws then?

Free speech must allow offence or it is nothing.

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