Feminist activist sent to prison for ‘Allah is lesbian’ T-shirt - Morocco

If you have such a negative view of Islam, as I correctly anticipated you would, why do you speak so unpleasantly about brave protestors like Ibtissam Lachgar? (Let's give her the dignity of a name from now)

People challenging blasphemy laws is a step forward.

I agree that Islam has some v negative effects. Otoh the Biblical God has moments too : ordering Abraham to kill his son for one, even if he takes it back later, and condoning Lot's daughters having sex w their drunken father bc it preserves the tribal line. And I say that as a Christian!

The problem is that Saudi-funded Salafism & Wahhabism have made Islam more extreme in the last 3 centuries, not less. There are many moderate Muslims, they must be brave & we must support them to reclaim their faith from the crazies.

But that's their country,that's their decision
Who are we to tell another country what's right or wrong
That's how wars start , getting involved in how other countries discipline their people.
Has that worked out well in any war the UK got involved in before.
No it's not right what is happening to her ..maybe she didn't go about ,what she wanted to achieve ,in the right way

For heavens' sake! She is an activist and native of Morocco, deliberately protesting. She knows the potential consequences as well as Nelson Mandela did when he protested apartheid. A very brave woman, esp as she's ill with cancer at the moment.

It's interesting you're defending the Palestine Action prptestors but not her. I am furious about the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, and v dubious about Netanyahu's government.

But I don't think it's genocide. It should definitely be protested, but Palestine Action are not the group to get involved with. There is credible evidence they have terrorist links.

Besides, free speech might not seem as urgent as the deaths of the starving, but the lack of free speech under the dictatorship of Hamas is partly what has led to the Gaza-Israel tragedy. It is completely essential to a free society, which in turn helps prevent injustice of all kinds.

It’s not about whether it’s a good thing or not. I never found Charlie Hebdo particularly funny. However I don’t think they should be imprisoned or beheaded or murdered for drawing cartoons.

You can think this activists t-shirt is offensive and in bad taste whilst also thinking that the state has no right to persecute her for it.

That's funny
You not from the UK then ?

Do you think Salman Rushdie should have not written the Satanic Verses bc of the danger it put him in? I'm glad he was that brave.

Thank goodness some people don't knuckle under like you. Or we practically be living in a caliphate here, unable to criticise Islam at all.

To be clear, I don't think Islam is necessarily bad. But this 'don't insult Muhammad or I'll kill you' certainly is.

She's lucky she's only in prison
Again I can't say what I want ,as it will get taken the wrong way .
I feel sorry for her
But she can't change much from inside prison
Some things you can't change ,it goes to deep ,it's better to walk away

Because she wants to change her country. That is the point of protest.

You clearly do not believe in free speech.

Well she was playing stupid games for stupid prizes there.
Hardly a surprise she is where she is, not like it was a great secret that might happen.

At least the pensioners holding signs against genocide while getting arrested are trying to help other people and draw attention to something our media is trying to hide and govt trying to ignore.

If you believe in gendered behaviours then how are you being critical of the concept of gender?

I don't really understand why you think she has done a good thing .
If she lives there ,she would of known this would happen.
I believe free speech is important..but some things ,you just know they are going to cause huge offence ..or worse .
I know what I want to say ,but that would cause offence...some things you can't change
Didn't a man get be headed for something he wrote about religion in France

But to certain religions it definitely will be offensive,and cause hurt and upset .
Again ,why ,do we need to hurt and upset each other

Because in order to avoid offending certain groups I am expected to give up my rights, my safety, my ability to practise my own beliefs….

Why do you keep talking about people visiting the country being rude, then, when that isn't the situation?

You're the stupid one. She is an activist making a deliberate protest, knowing very well the consequences.

It's her country : she did it to challenge the blasphemy laws. She is a native Morpccan and feminist activist.

Why Can't you bother to read the post properly?

It's not about 'reading the room' :she wants there to be a right to offend & no blasphemy restriction on free speech. So she's sacrificing her freedom to protest.

Would you tell the Freedom Riders in the Deep South : read the room? Or Gandhi on his salt marches? Free speech is a crucial right.

If Starmer does lose his mind and do something similar w free speech laws, we should protest. If we were all ad submissive as you seem to be, goodness knows what would happen.

A very inspiring woman. How about a bit more 'I applaud her courage' and less 'put up, shut up, and don't offend Islam'. On the feminist board, no less!

What's that about her having cancer? If so, she's even braver, and I hope can get treatment.

Do YOU believe that free speech is important? Can't you see that has to include offensive stuff to different groups, or it's meaningless?

It's not necessarily, though I agree the sexuality-God link seems to be taking the mickey a bit.

Otoh attempts to depict God as a feminine figure are often more serious in intent, not just 'want in toilet' level. I'm reminded of the artist Harmonia Rosales' homage to The Creation of Adam with God as a black woman. (This isn't a new idea, the 1980s black feminist activist Dorothy Pitman Hughes said her mother had a similar poster on her wall, apparently partly as a gesture of rebellion against the v male-dominant leadership of her church.)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelblackmon/god-is-a-black-woman

Why is it offensive??
Well to you and me it's not ..
But to certain religions it definitely will be offensive,and cause hurt and upset .
Again ,why ,do we need to hurt and upset each other
She should not be in prison
But equally she she not choose to wear inflammatory suggestions on t shirts ,in a country that will take offence

No she definitely should not be in prison
But some countries actually have rules that your expected to follow if you visit
Even in UK that would cause offence,not enough for a prison sentence at the moment,but who knows the way starmer is going
Sometimes you have to read the room , before doing stupid shit

They're gender critical in the sense that they think that gendered behaviours are linked to biological sex, but masculine women and feminine men are still women and men reslectflively, bc biological sex is how you ultimately determine sex.

Whereas GC feminists normally see gendered behaviours as socially contracted, ar least to some extent.

One of the Danish ones had Muhammad w a bomb for a turban! Besides, Islam is against ANY depiction of Muhammad, even a polite one.

I support them, BTW.

Yes that is my point. But you think we should have appeased them for that reason?

If you value free speech, why are you apparently defending the blasphemy law?

No I didn't miss that, hence my statement earlier in the thread to that very point....