Serious life ending Sexual assault on a stroke ward

Sometimes (more rarely due to her being on a stroke ward presumably) it can be other patients too.

It isn’t a failure of just this hospital or the nhs. These assaults are rare, but they happen everywhere.

Doctor who raped sedated patients
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/german-doctor-held-on-suspicion-of-drugging-raping-patients-media-report-idUSKCN26E2K3/

nurse caught because a woman in a persistent vegetative state ended up pregnant
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59523681.amp

Criminal men position themselves to take advantage of vulnerable women.

Awful reading, very sorry for Valerie and her family.

It looks like NHS hospitals have become the perfect place to get away with sexual assault since the staff are now too busy/corrupt/fed up to look into anything out of the ordinary. Great news for sexual predators,

I’ve seen several news bulletins about it on north west regional news tbh.

Awful. I remember a case about a porter in a rehabilitation hospital that took his life, he'd been rumbled by staff for sexually assaulting incapacitated patients.

I think it is really common in rehabilitation and mh facilities, where patients are incapacitated.

A recent podcast investigating Essex mh services was eye opening, many patients alleged sexual assaults by staff and other patients.

I hope all the staff mentioned in the article get fired. None of them did their duties correctly or cared about safeguarding or reporting such a serious event. I hope charges are filed. These are mandatory reporters and they failed her in the most despicable manner.

My mother was on a shared ward following her stroke so how the fuck did this happen?!

Just utterly horrific and I agree, as women it just emphasises even more so how we are just so vulnerable right through to even when incapacitated in a hospital - a care giving institution of all places.

And if they had found usable dna, doubtless there would have been multiple staff members who had been in contact with her. (I hesitated to say ‘care’ - that’s probably unfair, there may have been some who did).

Yep, and let’s not forget the news on David Fuller : NHS failures enabled killer to abuse bodies - report

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-67553332.amp

I hardly think this is something to make sarcastic "jokes" about, mustbethat, a woman has been brutally raped and murdered.

Ridiculous statement?

do you actually know anything about DNA evidence?

how long before it denatures and is no longer evidence? Several days. The PM wasn’t done till 18 days

the body needs forensically recovering to preserve dna evidence, to prevent cross contamination, make sure the body isn’t washed, clothing not disposed of. Again this needs doing straight away- after 18 days no chance.

even if they had dna, it needs a person to match it to. No match, no suspect.

if you have some new techniques where you can recover intact DNa after no foremaoc recovery and 18 days I suggest you join your local police forensic dept.

Cover up, no question.

Utterly appalling. What in god's name was going on with that ward and it's staff.

This sort of thing needs a proper enquiry by another Trust ie one that won't sweep everything under the carpet.

a couple of posters have said she’d likely have been on anti clotting treatment . The report says she had a brain bleed so it was presumably some sort of haemorrhagic stroke, not the type caused by blood clots. I’m not a medic but afaik in this case if the patient is taking a blood thinning med they may be given something to reverse it. So that particular line of thought may be incorrect.(it’s not exactly a major point in the overall horrific events and the post-death blood should surely have raised massive alarm bells in any unit operating to basic standards of care)

Det Ch Insp Riley said the murder investigation had concluded with "all possible lines of inquiry" failing to identify who may have been responsible for attacking Mrs Kneale

I don't know-what if there was a way in a hospital to identify someone who has sexually assaulted a vulnerable patient???

Surely there was DNA evidence in an assault that violent.

And just as bad as the staff covering up (should all lose licences) how could the police make a ridiculous statement like that???

Poor woman-poor family

Direct entry Detective Inspector for sure. Fast track scheme too.

get your application in.

Matthew Pover, prince among men. Notice that one of the HCAs mentioned in the inquest was also accused:
Blackpool NHS workers in court over alleged hospital crime ring including assaulting patients - LancsLive

Matthew Pover, prince among men. Notice that one of the HCAs mentioned in the inquest was also accused:

It makes no sense. There should be records of all people in the ward around vulnerable people. There should be cctv. There should be dna?!! I’m furious reading this. How how how can it be possible and how can this have only just concluded 7 years on. Truly disgusting.

Or she didn’t bleed significantly until after death as per the PM and the referral to “clotting”, which would indicate she may be on medication which assists clotting which would fit with a haemorrhagic strokes.

we cannot say either way. We don’t know what her clinical signs were and whether they were consistent with a stroke or not.

what we do know is after her death the alarm was not raised and evidence was not preserved.

The same hospital and the same ward.

I honestly can't believe this.
Truly shocking.

I said ‘I hope the family fight for answers’.

And that’s ’disrespectful, insensitive and condescending’? You’re nitpicking and hijacking a thread. Mumsnet at its weirdest, for sure! 🙄

Omg!

Jesus Christ. This is too awful.

If there's a petition they have to debate it on parliament. Maybe some sort of inquiry into safeguarding in hospitals.

Even if it wasn't sex assault ("EVEN") it's a given that any personal effects get nicked. I remember when Fern Brittons dad, the actor Tony Britton died, they had to appeal for the return of his wedding ring that had been lifted from him on the ward