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Serious life ending Sexual assault on a stroke ward

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mrshoho · 04/09/2025 09:44

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death - BBC News https://share.google/E1kG2EjcGHJWiPXvA

Omfg. This is just horrendous. This poor woman. Bled to death on a stroke ward following a sexual assault on the ward. What on earth?

Valerie Kneale, with shoulder-length grey curly hair, wears a pink, lilac and green floral blouse as she is photographed in a garden. She is standing in front of a pebble-dashed house with a white plastic door and windows.

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death

Valerie Kneale's inquest is told she died because of a "forcible sexual assault" while in hospital.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9neq9e7qqo

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YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 04/09/2025 16:28

Sadly even on a ward which is “single sex” even putting the trans issue aside they are NOT single sex. They have single sex bays. But as someone who has worked in the nhs for 20 years I can promise you that a man wandering into the womens bay at night is not unusual.

And if all staff are busy/away from the nurses station someone could easily go in the wrong bay unnoticed. They then have the potential to slip behind a curtain into a cubicle unseen.

when Dd was 17yo she was admitted into an adult ward. I had to firmly tell her if she ever felt unsafe at any point she was to start screaming loudly, not just press the buzzer. It’s so wrong that you have to tell your child that when leaving them in an nhs hospital.

CaramelPecan · 04/09/2025 16:02

Another one who can’t believe what I’ve just read.

Absolutely horrific.

Sounds like the police were massively hampered by the shocking delay in Valerie’s cause of death coming to light.

Unimaginable that blood was discovered coming from where it shouldn’t have been coming from and doctors were alerted but didn’t investigate. All while on a hospital ward!

This case really needs to be highly publicised so the public are alerted that this has been going on, while they may have vulnerable family members in hospital. You’d assume they are safe!

A full public enquiry by the government needs to be undertaken immediately.

That poor, poor lady stripped of her dignity and left to die after being horrifically attacked and raped while being treated in a HOSPITAL!

Murdered in hospital under the nose of medical staff in a so called civilised country!

This has really made my brain hurt.

Maybe our MPs should be spending more time discussing this in Parliament than the Gaza conflict which is apparently discussed more than any other issue!

Kalalily · 04/09/2025 15:52

@AnnHedonia I think that it very important that people can mention whatever they deem relevant when discussing this horrific case and failures within the NHS.
The NHS treats everything in silos and as a result holistic care is no longer possible. Discussion around this horrific assault and murder is necessary to bring the sad state of the NHS into the spotlight.

My sincerest sympathies to the family of Valerie Kneale. I hope you get justice for your beautiful mum.

AnnHedonia · 04/09/2025 15:28

miraxxx · 04/09/2025 15:18

That's twice now you have used the word tasteless and tried to tone police a serious discussion about women's safety which trans identifying men endanger as much as any men. Go start a new thread, campaign for third spaces for trans identifying men if you care so much but you will not get your way in this thread.

My way? OMG the paranoia. 😂😂😂

Expressing a view is not the same thing as tone policing. I could just as easily accuse you of doing the same as you are also expressing a view on what does and doesn't belong on the thread.

But I'm not interested in derailing further. Bye.

miraxxx · 04/09/2025 15:25

ParmaVioletTea · 04/09/2025 14:45

is that it opens the door for any predatory man to access women when they are at their most vulnerable.

This. This is the danger. The real danger.

There used to be a pretty clearly socially-policed boundary between women's single sex spaces, and men's. These would be policed by users - men & women.

But such has been the deluge of gender extremist ideology /trans rights activism, with individuals being treated with public opprobrium, losing jobs, or threatened with arrest (or actually arrested) for calling out men in women's spaces, that women don't feel they can self-police these spaces any more.

Single sex spaces in medical care are strictly adhered to in countries like Singapore. It helps because there aren't horrible cases like the one we are discussing. I am sorry but I find the idea of mixed wards totally offputting and a clear security risk.

miraxxx · 04/09/2025 15:18

AnnHedonia · 04/09/2025 14:44

Fuck's sake. I'm minimising/privileging nothing. I'm pointing out that conflating the issues raised by this case with the issues raised by the trans debate is, imo, somewhat tasteless bandwagoning. There are plenty of other platforms from which to discuss that equally important issue.

That's twice now you have used the word tasteless and tried to tone police a serious discussion about women's safety which trans identifying men endanger as much as any men. Go start a new thread, campaign for third spaces for trans identifying men if you care so much but you will not get your way in this thread.

Mustbethat · 04/09/2025 15:14

logiccalls · 04/09/2025 14:28

Sorry don't recall details, but there was a case where women temporarily weaked enough to be unable to defend themselves, (i.i.r.c. after strokes?) but not terminally ill, were being smothered to death overnight, to enable/enhance their violent rape. This was almost 'routine'. Finally, a female employee in the mortuary "got tired" of seeing so many women, usually middle aged or older, arriving dead purportedly from stroke or heart attack, yet with extreme blood loss and serious injury between their legs. Then, now and presumably always, the whistle-blower has an entire career to lose, as ranks close and as nobody ever did care what happens to vulnerable people, especially if it happens to females. Anywhere there are prey, there will be predators.

On a related matter, it seems clear cctv must be mandatory in all settings where such abuse is possible. With new technology, the film can be 'watched' by machines, which could alert human watchers to clips where an interaction seemed to deserve a closer look. Those watchers could be a mix of retired and part time and unemployed or carer volunteers and paid workers, just watching a few clips now and then at random, when they felt strong enough, and had time, all streamed to them in their own homes. There need be no geographical link, and the clips could be sent by numbers and codes, so there could be no collusion and no unhealthy unseemly interest, (and no way to screen-shot?)

People misguidedly object to cctv in care homes, or else say it should not be in bedrooms or bathrooms: This is for protection all night long in the care home or hospital. It is not going to be broadcast on national t.v.(!)

Sadly, England, the nation of animal- lovers has had to make a law that every area of a slaughter house must be filmed, in an effort to prevent cruelty to animals.

England has no such law to protect humans, especially women and children, because.......?

Because there’s this thing called the human rights act where individuals have the right to a private life.

put cameras in vulnerable people’s homes and toilets, how long do you think it will be til that footage hits the dark web?

who do you think these “volunteers” will be that offer to watch cctv of vulnerable people on the toilet?

are you going to get informed consent of these patients, who may be mentally competent, for strangers to have access and be able to watch them 24/7?

you can’t breach people’s human rights just in case something might happen. You need to employ other security measures to protect them.

rainbowunicorn22 · 04/09/2025 14:49

this is unbelievable. does that mean that someone walked into the ward unobserved? or a patient or worse still member of staff? do they not do regular checks on the patients hence surely either they would have disturb the offender or even if not then surely at some point they must have noticed either the bed or nightwear was disturbed? something is wrong all round

ParmaVioletTea · 04/09/2025 14:45

is that it opens the door for any predatory man to access women when they are at their most vulnerable.

This. This is the danger. The real danger.

There used to be a pretty clearly socially-policed boundary between women's single sex spaces, and men's. These would be policed by users - men & women.

But such has been the deluge of gender extremist ideology /trans rights activism, with individuals being treated with public opprobrium, losing jobs, or threatened with arrest (or actually arrested) for calling out men in women's spaces, that women don't feel they can self-police these spaces any more.

AnnHedonia · 04/09/2025 14:44

miraxxx · 04/09/2025 14:25

Here it comes, the minimising of women's security and the special interest in privileging men. Have you heard of this rape in a single sex NHS ward?
https://archive.ph/IPdUX

Fuck's sake. I'm minimising/privileging nothing. I'm pointing out that conflating the issues raised by this case with the issues raised by the trans debate is, imo, somewhat tasteless bandwagoning. There are plenty of other platforms from which to discuss that equally important issue.

Themaghag · 04/09/2025 14:37

AnnHedonia · 04/09/2025 14:19

As you've acknowledged that you're not suggesting the perpetrator was trans, don't you think it's in rather poor taste to use this thread as a vehicle in the trans debate?

No, I don't. To me, one of the biggest dangers of self-id and men being empowered to use the loo/changing room/hospital ward that best matches their gender identity, rather than their biological sex, is that it opens the door for any predatory man to access women when they are at their most vulnerable. This is particularly pertinent in hospitals because we know that the NHS has been completely captured by Stonewall and others promoting gender woo-woo. I'm sure Mumsnet will attest to this, as apparently MN volunteers have been carrying out a survey which has worryingly revealed that there isn't currently a single UK NHS hospital that fully adheres to the provision of single-sex spaces throughout.

Candlesmess · 04/09/2025 14:35

Truly shocking.
That poor woman.
Her poor family

WTF, with the lack of medical care and basic decency towards her.
I hate mixed wards.
Women are too vulnerable, but this could have been anyone.

HappierTimesAhead · 04/09/2025 14:29

AnnHedonia · 04/09/2025 14:19

As you've acknowledged that you're not suggesting the perpetrator was trans, don't you think it's in rather poor taste to use this thread as a vehicle in the trans debate?

I think it was about highlighting the wider context of the threat of male bodied people to women (and it didn't turn the thread into a debate about trans people)

logiccalls · 04/09/2025 14:28

Sorry don't recall details, but there was a case where women temporarily weaked enough to be unable to defend themselves, (i.i.r.c. after strokes?) but not terminally ill, were being smothered to death overnight, to enable/enhance their violent rape. This was almost 'routine'. Finally, a female employee in the mortuary "got tired" of seeing so many women, usually middle aged or older, arriving dead purportedly from stroke or heart attack, yet with extreme blood loss and serious injury between their legs. Then, now and presumably always, the whistle-blower has an entire career to lose, as ranks close and as nobody ever did care what happens to vulnerable people, especially if it happens to females. Anywhere there are prey, there will be predators.

On a related matter, it seems clear cctv must be mandatory in all settings where such abuse is possible. With new technology, the film can be 'watched' by machines, which could alert human watchers to clips where an interaction seemed to deserve a closer look. Those watchers could be a mix of retired and part time and unemployed or carer volunteers and paid workers, just watching a few clips now and then at random, when they felt strong enough, and had time, all streamed to them in their own homes. There need be no geographical link, and the clips could be sent by numbers and codes, so there could be no collusion and no unhealthy unseemly interest, (and no way to screen-shot?)

People misguidedly object to cctv in care homes, or else say it should not be in bedrooms or bathrooms: This is for protection all night long in the care home or hospital. It is not going to be broadcast on national t.v.(!)

Sadly, England, the nation of animal- lovers has had to make a law that every area of a slaughter house must be filmed, in an effort to prevent cruelty to animals.

England has no such law to protect humans, especially women and children, because.......?

miraxxx · 04/09/2025 14:25

AnnHedonia · 04/09/2025 14:19

As you've acknowledged that you're not suggesting the perpetrator was trans, don't you think it's in rather poor taste to use this thread as a vehicle in the trans debate?

Here it comes, the minimising of women's security and the special interest in privileging men. Have you heard of this rape in a single sex NHS ward?
https://archive.ph/IPdUX

JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 04/09/2025 14:23

I've just read the first couple of pages of this thread, I can't bring myself to read the article. I am utterly appalled at this poor woman's treatment by the perpetrator, the staff and the police. She has been treated as if she were nothing. My heart is breaking for her and her family.

AnnHedonia · 04/09/2025 14:19

Themaghag · 04/09/2025 11:40

I've followed this case quite closely since it was first reported when the inquest first opened in 2019.

When it was finally discovered that Valerie Kneale had been sexually assaulted in such a violent way that it caused the internal bleeding that led to her death, an investigation began and a male member of staff was arrested, questioned and then bailed pending further enquiries. Each time the bail period ended, it was extended again for a further few months.

During this period, female hospital staff came forward and complained about a male member of staff who had been inappropriate in several different ways. In total, the bail period went on for about 18 months and then there was no further reporting on the case. I am thus assuming, that despite their best efforts (and we'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt on this!) police couldn't find enough evidence to charge anyone.

The male member of staff who was bailed was also suspended during his extended bail period, but may well be back working at the hospital. After reading about the case again yesterday, it's clear that by the time investigations began, vital evidence had been either lost or compromised.

I've often used this case in my arguments with various people about the complete folly of allowing trans identifying men to be placed on female hospital wards. I'm not suggesting that the perpetrator in this case was trans, but it was very likely a man, which further underlines the fact that women, especially when at their most vulnerable, should not be subjected to any greater level of risk than is absolutely necessary.

Writing this, I'm wondering if the police are taking special note of what is being said and by whom at the inquest. Maybe they are hoping that someone's recollections of the period that Valerie was in the stroke ward might shed some further light on what really happened. (This incidently, was the ward where nurses were convicted of doping stroke patients to lessen their workload, so it's clear that there was a huge degree of negligence at that time).

Whatever the findings of the inquest or the coroner's verdict, I don't think that this case can be allowed to disappear from the public realm again. If everyone posting on this board e-mailed Wes Streeting and demanded a public inquiry into the mismanagement that was obviously rife on the stroke ward in Blackpool hospital, it might prompt him to do something about it and it will certainly help strengthen the argument that all hospital wards must be strictly single sex, except for intensive care. I shall write and send my e-mail today.

As you've acknowledged that you're not suggesting the perpetrator was trans, don't you think it's in rather poor taste to use this thread as a vehicle in the trans debate?

miraxxx · 04/09/2025 14:11

LakesLovely123 · 04/09/2025 13:49

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/unsolved-murder-sleaze-corruption-cruel-27858854.amp

This correlates the two. There were multiple sexual assaults on multiple women.

I remember the Barrow baby scandal and the NHS cover-up that ensued.

Bloody hell, so many staff at the stroke unit were running amok and no heads rolled? There were more victims than poor Mrs Kneale. We shall never know how many. What the fuck were the admins doing? Who lost their jobs for this much criminality in one place? I bet not a single one.
Good on the student nurse whistle blower. I must say that the police did far better than I initially thought. They were stymied by a cover up at the hospital with so many acting in concert. This inquest is another opportunity,probably the last, to focus attention on this horrific crime.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 04/09/2025 14:07

I googled hospital porter sexual assault, trying to find the incident I mentioned earlier, there is pages of different cases. 😳

Itstheshowgirl · 04/09/2025 14:04

I can’t believe what I have just read, this is horrific and just being shrugged off like ‘ach well we couldn’t find any suspects’.

People are being hunted down and jailed for social media posts ffs but a poor woman in hospital having suffered a stroke is sexually assaulted so badly that she dies and no one really seems that bothered.

HellHospital · 04/09/2025 14:00

lifeonmars100 · 04/09/2025 13:56

Poor Valerie, she looks so full of life in that photo. What a terrible way for her life to end My guess that this has been ignored and not treated as the grossly serious offence it is, combined with the lack of care, is due to the following:

  1. She was an older woman and therefore worth "less" in the eyes of the hospital and also in society
  2. She was ill vulnerable and unable to advocate for herself
  3. Physical and sexual violence against women and girls is not seen as the national emergency it clearly is

It's a cover up at every level.

The whistleblower was incredibly brave.

lifeonmars100 · 04/09/2025 13:56

Poor Valerie, she looks so full of life in that photo. What a terrible way for her life to end My guess that this has been ignored and not treated as the grossly serious offence it is, combined with the lack of care, is due to the following:

  1. She was an older woman and therefore worth "less" in the eyes of the hospital and also in society
  2. She was ill vulnerable and unable to advocate for herself
  3. Physical and sexual violence against women and girls is not seen as the national emergency it clearly is
LakesLovely123 · 04/09/2025 13:49

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/unsolved-murder-sleaze-corruption-cruel-27858854.amp

This correlates the two. There were multiple sexual assaults on multiple women.

I remember the Barrow baby scandal and the NHS cover-up that ensued.

vitahelp · 04/09/2025 13:45

Ponderingwindow · 04/09/2025 13:39

It isn’t a failure of just this hospital or the nhs. These assaults are rare, but they happen everywhere.

Doctor who raped sedated patients
https://www.reuters.com/article/world/german-doctor-held-on-suspicion-of-drugging-raping-patients-media-report-idUSKCN26E2K3/

nurse caught because a woman in a persistent vegetative state ended up pregnant
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-59523681.amp

Criminal men position themselves to take advantage of vulnerable women.

You are right in the sense of the assault itself may
not be a failure of the NHS/this hospital, but the aftermath was.
It’s hardly surprising, we are regularly hearing how overworked the staff in hospitals are to the point that processes aren’t being followed and failures are commonplace, so why would this be any different?

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