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Serious life ending Sexual assault on a stroke ward

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mrshoho · 04/09/2025 09:44

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death - BBC News https://share.google/E1kG2EjcGHJWiPXvA

Omfg. This is just horrendous. This poor woman. Bled to death on a stroke ward following a sexual assault on the ward. What on earth?

Valerie Kneale, with shoulder-length grey curly hair, wears a pink, lilac and green floral blouse as she is photographed in a garden. She is standing in front of a pebble-dashed house with a white plastic door and windows.

Stroke 'played no part' in Blackpool hospital patient's death

Valerie Kneale's inquest is told she died because of a "forcible sexual assault" while in hospital.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy9neq9e7qqo

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HarrietBond · 06/09/2025 12:05

I do think that ‘we will learn from it’ should always been accompanied by a commitment to publish the new guidelines/training etc put in place. With regulators then asking questions, again published, after a specific time if nothing emerges.

mrshoho · 06/09/2025 11:48

Lalgarh · 06/09/2025 11:35

93 year old Eileen Dean was murdered by a dementia patient in care home who'd been discharged from a psych ward

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-63598953

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I remember this horrific murder. Poor Eileen suffering at his hands. The nonchalant statement from the Maudsley with the usual we will learn from it. Why in the hell did he get released to a carehome without disclosing his violent history? People should have been prosecuted for these decisions. As usual women are the collateral damage.

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Lalgarh · 06/09/2025 11:35

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/09/2025 09:24

On the NHS? I can categorically say no, there is currently no genuinely single-sex care.

Source: the NHS single-sex spaces audit.

93 year old Eileen Dean was murdered by a dementia patient in care home who'd been discharged from a psych ward

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-63598953

Eileen with birthday cake

Eileen Dean care home killing: No risk assessment done on attacker

Eileen Dean, 93, was killed by a resident more than 20 years younger who had a history of violence.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-63598953

Sevenamcoffee · 06/09/2025 10:53

That’s absolutely horrific, the poor woman and family. It also horrifying that nobody seems to have noticed at the time or subsequently. It’s so depressing.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 06/09/2025 10:47

It's everywhere.
https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/1203/1484521-circuit-criminal-court/
Disturbing case of CAMH'S psychiatrist grooming patients, forcing this vulnerable teenager into degrading sex acts, she is still hospitalised in a psychiatric hospital, the damage is horrendous, her parents thought that he was helping.

www.rte.ie/news/2025/0131/1494110-radiographer-guilty-teen-x-ray/
Radiologist making a teenager sit half naked. Using her personal contact details to text her after the appointment for a date.

Child psychiatrist jailed for sexually abusing girl

A child psychiatrist who groomed and sexually abused a teenage girl leaving her with "painful and grave trauma" has been jailed for eight and a half years.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2024/1203/1484521-circuit-criminal-court/

mrshoho · 06/09/2025 10:36

Also I expect and hope cctv video storage and retention has advanced so that it is held for longer than a week or whatever it was. That could play a crucial role in identifying who would be accessing rooms on the ward.

The whole design of hospital wards needs reviewing too. So many have an entry point system where visitors are buzzed in without question or simply walk in as another leaves and the reception desk is placed half way down the corridor. Unauthorised people have access to side rooms before being noticed by staff members. Desks should be placed immediately next to the entrance.

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ArabellaScott · 06/09/2025 09:27

mrshoho · 06/09/2025 08:42

Yes it's a national issue across the entire NHS. I believe the government must be aware of what is happening in our hospitals. I agree that carehomes are a separate area but equally vulnerable to this type of abuse. It appears that nights are the most dangerous timeframe. Single sex wards are vital. I would go further that single sex care should be standard but I'm also aware of staff shortages particularly for night shifts.

It could be additive. Just as safeguarding children means caregivers shouldn't be alone with a child, and a police search requires a same sex officer.

No male should be alone with a female patient at any time.

This would require extra staff, but that's a wider problem.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 06/09/2025 09:24

Nousernamesleftatall · 06/09/2025 09:21

Is there single sex care offered though?

Also men with dementia exhibit inappropriate sexual behaviour yet all the wards in nursing homes are mixed sex.

On the NHS? I can categorically say no, there is currently no genuinely single-sex care.

Source: the NHS single-sex spaces audit.

Nousernamesleftatall · 06/09/2025 09:21

Luceeeee · 06/09/2025 09:15

I told my DH a few years ago if I end up losing capacity and in care or hospital I demand single sex care. That was after I read about a poor woman with dementia being raped in a care home by a care worker. Many men are sick.

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Is there single sex care offered though?

Also men with dementia exhibit inappropriate sexual behaviour yet all the wards in nursing homes are mixed sex.

Luceeeee · 06/09/2025 09:15

I told my DH a few years ago if I end up losing capacity and in care or hospital I demand single sex care. That was after I read about a poor woman with dementia being raped in a care home by a care worker. Many men are sick.

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2025 09:14

'The perpetrators of this abuse were most frequently found to be nurses or nursing assistants, the majority of victims were female and 85% of alleged perpetrators being male.'

That's stark, and unsurprising. Single.sex care absolutely looks like a no brainer.

(From the Hourglass research quoted upthread)

Nousernamesleftatall · 06/09/2025 08:47

mrshoho · 06/09/2025 08:24

Omg. Horrific. I couldn't read the entire article but you would hope his previous locations were investigated.

I wouldn’t be so sure. Most of the asylum seekers in Ireland destroy their documents so they don’t know their real names or where they have been before.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/85-of-asylum-seekers-arrive-at-dublin-airport-without-identity-documents-1646914

Vulnerabke women should only be looked after by other women. It shouldn’t be that hard as most nurses/health care workers are women.

85% of asylum seekers arrive at Dublin Airport without identity documents

In total, 4,712 people made an asylum claim at the capital’s airport in 2023; 4,007 had no identity documents or false identity documents

https://www.newstalk.com/news/85-of-asylum-seekers-arrive-at-dublin-airport-without-identity-documents-1646914

mrshoho · 06/09/2025 08:42

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2025 08:15

Women's safety in hospitals and care homes.

Yes it's a national issue across the entire NHS. I believe the government must be aware of what is happening in our hospitals. I agree that carehomes are a separate area but equally vulnerable to this type of abuse. It appears that nights are the most dangerous timeframe. Single sex wards are vital. I would go further that single sex care should be standard but I'm also aware of staff shortages particularly for night shifts.

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 06/09/2025 08:27

Nousernamesleftatall · 06/09/2025 08:14

Horrific case. Why is it only coming out now?

Reminds me of this case. This pond scum claimed asylum.from Nigeria to Ireland around 2019 and worked in care homes where he raped at least 9 women. Was he in England before perhaps? There are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland.

m.independent.ie/irish-news/we-never-thought-a-rapist-could-be-stalking-our-mams-care-home/a1133733655.html

That's shocking.
It's heartbreaking.
MEN are beasts. namalt before I am corrected.

mrshoho · 06/09/2025 08:24

Nousernamesleftatall · 06/09/2025 08:14

Horrific case. Why is it only coming out now?

Reminds me of this case. This pond scum claimed asylum.from Nigeria to Ireland around 2019 and worked in care homes where he raped at least 9 women. Was he in England before perhaps? There are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland.

m.independent.ie/irish-news/we-never-thought-a-rapist-could-be-stalking-our-mams-care-home/a1133733655.html

Omg. Horrific. I couldn't read the entire article but you would hope his previous locations were investigated.

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Slothtoes · 06/09/2025 08:21

I agree that it’s women’s (and girls) safety in hospitals and care homes.

Might need to be run as two separate campaigns because hospitals and care homes are run so differently the solutions would need to be different and different laws apply.

HarrietBond · 06/09/2025 08:21

I’ve read quite a few horror stories on here from women on postnatal wards where partners stayed over so would share concerns about this being a blanket policy across hospitals.

If doing a petition you need it to be something the government can do, so they can’t reopen a police investigation for example. Or change an individual hospital’s policies.

Slothtoes · 06/09/2025 08:18

Lalgarh · 06/09/2025 07:49

Are there any petitions to get safety on wards discussed in parliament. I would have thought this would be covered in the remit for the inquiry into institutional abuse

I've just done a search on petitions for Blackpool or for hospital abuse but nothing has come up

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions?q=Hospital+abuse&state=open

But there is this for every hospital patient to have a named advocate

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/731378

Thanks very much for looking into this. I’ll have to think about the petition linked to. Probably it’s not for me. I worry about the equity of that suggestion though I can see it would be really helpful for some people.

If it becomes a right that all adult patients can bring someone in to stay with them into hospital (as currently only children can), then that could make adult wards less secure by introducing more people on to them. They wouldn’t be like visitors who can be told to go.

It also could mean a retreat from personal care etc as wards become places where your advocate or visitors come in every day to wash you and bring your meals, which happens in lower income countries. Then the people who have nobody- which is a lot of elderly people- would be much worse off than they might be now. Something to think about anyway.

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2025 08:18

Hourglass looks like its doing good work on this already. Maybe Mumsnet could work with them?

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2025 08:15

Women's safety in hospitals and care homes.

ArabellaScott · 06/09/2025 08:15

What do we want to ask for?

The police investigation to be re-opened, and a full overhaul of the hospital's policies and procedures? There's a new women in charge, since April, according to the article upthread.

And/or a wider campaign on women's safety in hospitals?

It needs focus, and perhaps the involvement of some people local to the area, including the MP, etc.

Nousernamesleftatall · 06/09/2025 08:14

Horrific case. Why is it only coming out now?

Reminds me of this case. This pond scum claimed asylum.from Nigeria to Ireland around 2019 and worked in care homes where he raped at least 9 women. Was he in England before perhaps? There are no direct flights from Nigeria to Ireland.

m.independent.ie/irish-news/we-never-thought-a-rapist-could-be-stalking-our-mams-care-home/a1133733655.html

mrshoho · 06/09/2025 08:08

Rising Sexual Violence Against Older Patients in NHS Hospitals | Hourglass | Hourglass https://share.google/dnXyMHlHBlplu2kj1

The research follows a study produced in 2021, inspired by the case of Valerie Kneale who passed away due to injuries from a sexual assault in Blackpool Victoria Hospital. It found that 75 cases of sexual abuse committed by staff were recorded from 2016 to 2021.

This new research, released today has revealed that in just three years, that number has more than tripled.

This research is only on assaults of older patients and I am sure for every case uncovered there will be more that have gone on.

The research also found that the majority of victims of this sexual violence were not referred to a Sexual Assault Referral Centre (SARC) or specialist services, with a total of 127 victims not referred for support following the abuse.

How we are treating our elderly in this day and age.

Hospitals are a frightening and dangerous place when you are in an already vulnerable state.

When someone is assaulted in the street it tends to get reported but in Hospitals there appears to be secrecy and cover ups.

https://wearehourglass.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/Sexual%20Violence%20and%20Assault%20against%20older%20people%20in%20hospitals%20in%20England%202021_0.pdf

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EmeraldShamrock000 · 06/09/2025 07:58

I believe the world is just as savage as it was in less civilised times, we've been foolishly lead into a false sense of security, it's extremely dangerous for women everywhere. I can't see things improving, society has gone backwards, the vicious 24 online porn cycle, red rooms, child abuse.
I read a comment on dangers during pregnancy, the largest cause of female death during pregnancy is male violence. 😑

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