Serious life ending Sexual assault on a stroke ward

Problem is the alternative to "allowing them in" would be sending them back to the UK and I dont think the UK has a legal requirement to take them (might need to check). And I imagine the perspective given by the UK press if the UK volunteered to take "failed asylum seekers" from Ireland would be... Robust. Even though it's the same problem in reverse as we have with France and actually would be the best deterrent to people destroying their passport en route.

God, that poor, poor woman, and her poor family. It's too terrible for words.

They destroy documents on the plane, many planes are grounded for a full search, usually pieces of the passport is recovered, the identifying parts gone.
Crazy that they allow anyone in without documents.
I doubt it's 85%, although passport control was abandoned feb 2022.
Anyone claiming must be finger printed in IPAS, no background checks.
There was a recent killing, both involved where ipas residents, both had previous deportation orders from Europe for rape.
Many come from the UK through NI without documents.
A recent case of a young girl left alone while suicidal, her health care assistant had fake documents.
Another, CAMH's psychologist had fake documents.
Definitely need a world ID data base.

It appears from they enquiry there was no visible injuries or any indication an assault had taken place place. It was only after death when she bled that it became evident.

it even says she was clinically stable and no signs of a serious bleed such as blood pressure or pulse change. Which appears to mean she was on clotting medication for her brain bleed so this prevented the active bleeding until death- the enquiry says the bleed wasn’t evident when she was alive due to “clotting”.

so not sure you can blame staff.

Yes, my apologies.

End of life care after the assault.

With no actual care.

That was my point. She was put on end of life "care" after the assault which resulted in her death, during the period of end of life care not one member of staff was aware of her serious injury? Every member of staff who had an interaction with her should be held accountable and that should be discoverable from her medical / nursing record

I don't think she was recieving end of life care, that's the point she was lucid, sitting up and talking with family before the assault, I believe.

The coroner said he believed she would have recovered and survived longer if she had not been brutally sexually assaulted. This assault caused her death, she was murdered.

The purpitraiter probably did not intend to kill her, but he raped her and she died from the injuries of that.

No evidence, the only thing they know is that it is a man, unless it was a sick woman using an instrument of some kind, which doesn't bear thinking about but the law does, and that there seemed to be a willfull cover up on the ward.

It throws up so many questions, how many others were subjected this, how many patients had died due to over prescribing sedation, it's completely mindblowing to think this this ward was where possible mass murderers worked.
If I had relatives on that ward who had passed away I would be seriously asking questions.

There must be something that can be done to prevent this happening again.

Ah sorry, I missed that the police had begun a murder enquiry. I am horrified that this woman died, during a time when she was receiving end of life "care" and no one noticed, or checked her body.

Very good points. But the NHS tends to run in a reactive rather than a proactive way.

Yes, there was also a police murder enquiry, but it has been closed due to a lack of evidence.

This should surely be considered as a murder? The woman would not have died, except as a result of her injuries ( and added neglect admittedly)

Back in the 80’s when I worked on a&e there was funding for two age concern employees to sit in a&e and deal with anyone coming in who needed assistance.

they did everything from sort emergency care for their pets out, advocate for their medical needs, put care plans in place so they could be discharged instead of sitting in a hospital bed unecessarily. Visit them on wards to make sure they were ok.

they must have saved the nhs and social services a fortune. But funding is only measured by expenditure, so they were ditched.

it was almost exclusively staffed by women with school aged children as it could be fit around school runs. So win win there as well. The reception staff would pitch in and I regularly found to a dog behind the counter or a cat in the staff room.

we need more services like that. The nhs doesn’t appreciate that more staff actually equals greater efficiency, and greater safety with dedicated care

we also regularly had the police and csi’s in to go through the process if we had concerns, how and when to report, and how to preserve evidence. They did it informally on their own time. Doesn’t happen any more.

This makes me so worried for any future hospital stays. I wonder what the ward would do if you brought your own CCTV / security cam?

I’ve had a quick skim and feel grateful to the researcher writing this report for Hourglass. The report has recommendations at the end which look great but I can’t cut and paste them for some reason (and MN is still glitching and reloading with copying so I haven’t got time to work it out this morning..)

Definitely agree with writing to Wes Streeting to ask for action on this. And this should be a Mumsnet Campaign to raise visibility.

So many factors here- NHS underfunding, understaffing leading to unsafe working practices, the drive for mixed sex everything in health care, lack of safeguarding practices, probably links to accessing extreme online pornographic content, definitely culturally we have a UK problem with the way women especially older and disabled women and girls are made vulnerable by the misogynistic, ageist, ableist threads embedded in our social fabric.

This issue needs a lead organisation or individual to progress it politically and legally towards workable policies to protect women and girls in hospitals and care homes from sexual abuse, rape and murder. It wil be very challenging because the idea is so scary lots of people won’t want to accept it happens, and I’d imagine that NHS trusts will be very unwilling to touch it because of the risk of legal cases that this issue could attract. I can’t find any charities or campaign groups working on this exact area for women.

I’m wondering if it could be taken on by either of these women-focused excellent campaigning charities?

https://www.centreforwomensjustice.org.uk/cwj-manifesto
or
https://theotherhalf.uk/we-cant-keep-doing-nothing

theres also Hourglass- a national Uk charity who have commissioned research on sexual abuse of older people in hospitals in 2021 updated 2024 https://www.wearehourglass.org/who-we-are

https://www.wearehourglass.org/sexual-abuse-older-people-hospitals-interview

the report looks very important (and I’m sure it is very distressing to read, so warning on that) here:
https://www.wearehourglass.org/sites/default/files/inline-files/Sexual%20Assaults%20of%20Older%20People%20in%20Hospitals%20in%20England%2004.09.24_0.pdf

Also Rape Crisis offers support & campaigning on all sexual violence, including healthcare so they should have something on this but it didn’t come up in my googling.

There are existing very big well funded patient charities and campaign groups in the UK, including in patient safety, but perhaps they don’t have an awareness or a focus (much of an interest?) in patient safety or patient experience when it comes to women specifically. And the abuse women uniquely receive in these settings. But these groups would need to be got on board too to gain traction for legal change with Parliamentarians. Which is normally what’s needed for sustained change. What is Wes Streeting saying about this?

It’s a massive job for a campaign coalition to do but so vital. If someone like Queen Camilla could take this on it would become rocket powered and might get somewhere in the next few years.

How could 85% have got on planes with no documents? It would appear simple to require all transport carriers to take copies of documents and references and contacts, and to photograph and take fingerprints and/or cheek swabs from each one, as a condition of taking the journey, and give each an identifying wrist stamp, before boarding, which could be re-checked during the journey and prior to arrival. Full details could have been sent ahead to the destination, prior to the journey, so if everything was in order, their exit through the terminal would be expedited. It would presumably help everyone to keep each batch of arrivals segregated, and to keep each carrier's wrist-stamp colours and numbering/lettering distinctive.

The following comments may be disturbing for some people.

There are some individuals who like the idea of sexual activity with someone who does not reject or object..

It's called necrophilia.

Such people work in areas where there is access to deceased persons eg Undertakers premises, hospitals, cemeteries, or coma patients in hospitals.

I cannot find any record for anyone being prosecuted for it in UK

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/nurse-who-sexually-assaulted-woman-25606460

What is as shocking as the assault is the way the staff were not actually looking after her. What sort of hospital is it? How do people take wages then do nothing but the minimum they can get away with?

I agree. You would think this would make national news.

Staff must have suspicions about this. I wonder if it was a member of the public though?

You think you have heard it all and women have been subjected to everything possible and then this.

No worries.

Sorry, I misread your post, my apologies.

Yes, I know. That’s why I pointed out that the man they arrested and bailed repeatedly but were unable to charge is older than that.

And also was later imprisoned for drunk driving and stealing drugs from the hospital.

I'm referring to the younger one that was in charge that night and didn't alert anyone to the excessive bleeding etc.