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I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?

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Christinapple · 04/09/2025 09:36

They want any LGBT person or supporter who makes a threat of violence arrested? Correct? For an example there was Sarah Jane Barker who made a "if you see a TERF, punch 'em in the face!" comment. There was a Glasgow protest where someone held up a cardboard sign with a guillotine crudely drawn with a crayon and "decapacitate TERFs" or something scrawled. These happened years ago and to this day the GC community still talk about and refer to them and say they should have been arrested/charged/convicted.

For another example a trans person a while back jokingly posted something like "let's give KJK a NZ welcome" on twitter which then led to a lot of angry GC people from here making police reports and brigading them (someone posted a link on here and lots went over to be abusive directly to her).

And then Graham Linehan threatens to/incites others to punch trans people in their genitalia (not his first time btw, he has a long track record of threatening and inciting abuse and violence towards LGBT people and their supporters), and yet these same GC people flock to twitter to say that it's "free speech" and "people shouldn't be arrested for online communications".

So what is it to be? If you want LGBT people arrested and charged for threats then GL would need charged too.

If you want GL to have a "legal pass" to make threats then that means it should be the same for all including LGBT people and allies.

Whatever the law is it needs to apply to everyone equally. You can't have one rule for GCs and another rule for LGBT people and allies.

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ThatCyanCat · 05/09/2025 08:02

Chris also tries to belittle JKR by calling her Jo. Dude.

ThatBlackCat · 05/09/2025 08:00

DoinFineIThink · 04/09/2025 10:04

Where has @Christinapple said they're a man? Have I missed something? Or is this that "you're a man" thing again if it's a poster you don't agree with?

Chris has said they don't understand why females need our hard won safe single sex spaces.

No female would say such a thing, as we know our own oppression (and needs) by instinct.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 05/09/2025 07:22

ThatCyanCat · 05/09/2025 07:04

We had someone the other day who claimed that learning self defence techniques was premeditated violence, might be where Chris got this from. These are not serious people.

That poster was comedy gold! 😂

For those that missed it, they also said they wished they were LOJ's mum and it would be a privilege if they were, honestly haven't laughed so much in weeks! 😂😂

I hate intellectual snobbery (I'm not well educated and compared to most on this board, I'm thicker than 2 short planks!), but that poster didn't strike me as the brightest spark!

ThatCyanCat · 05/09/2025 07:04

ThatBlackCat · 05/09/2025 06:54

How is repeating something told and taught in self defence classes 'malicious/threatening communications'?

We had someone the other day who claimed that learning self defence techniques was premeditated violence, might be where Chris got this from. These are not serious people.

ThatBlackCat · 05/09/2025 06:54

Christinapple · 04/09/2025 09:50

I'm trying to figure out who "free speech" and laws on malicious/threatening communications should apply to. The entire population or only for certain people?

Which one is it?

How is repeating something told and taught in self defence classes 'malicious/threatening communications'?

ThatBlackCat · 05/09/2025 06:53

You are disingenuous if you don't understand the difference, @Christinapple .

Baker wanted feminists punched FOR NO REASON other than they're feminists.

All Linehan said is what is said in SELF DEFENCE CLASSES. If a male is harassing you and won't leave you alone, go for the balls.

Case one wants feminists punched for absolutely nothing and no reason other than they are feminists.
Case two is about SELF DEFENCE. It's really that simple. Even Camilla herself had to resort to attacking a male attacker in the balls;

I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?
MrsTerryPratchett · 05/09/2025 01:35

BackToLurk · 04/09/2025 09:48

I'm confused what gender critical people want.

No you're not

And SCENE.

SammyScrounge · 05/09/2025 01:27

Christinapple · 04/09/2025 09:36

They want any LGBT person or supporter who makes a threat of violence arrested? Correct? For an example there was Sarah Jane Barker who made a "if you see a TERF, punch 'em in the face!" comment. There was a Glasgow protest where someone held up a cardboard sign with a guillotine crudely drawn with a crayon and "decapacitate TERFs" or something scrawled. These happened years ago and to this day the GC community still talk about and refer to them and say they should have been arrested/charged/convicted.

For another example a trans person a while back jokingly posted something like "let's give KJK a NZ welcome" on twitter which then led to a lot of angry GC people from here making police reports and brigading them (someone posted a link on here and lots went over to be abusive directly to her).

And then Graham Linehan threatens to/incites others to punch trans people in their genitalia (not his first time btw, he has a long track record of threatening and inciting abuse and violence towards LGBT people and their supporters), and yet these same GC people flock to twitter to say that it's "free speech" and "people shouldn't be arrested for online communications".

So what is it to be? If you want LGBT people arrested and charged for threats then GL would need charged too.

If you want GL to have a "legal pass" to make threats then that means it should be the same for all including LGBT people and allies.

Whatever the law is it needs to apply to everyone equally. You can't have one rule for GCs and another rule for LGBT people and allies.

GL's joke was not designed to incite violence.
GC women ,on the other hand
have been threatened with decapitation, murder,.rape JKR says she can paper her walls with the threats she receives.
Such people intend intimidating women and should be arrested and charged. By the way, it makes no difference whether threats are made by LGBT person's or not - they deserve to be arrested whoever they are.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 05/09/2025 00:52

LalitaDevi · 04/09/2025 23:58

Actually most people want penïses out of little girls changerooms and sports.
Check out www.terfisaslur.com to see all the male violence directed at women over the years.

p.s. You know Mr Baker chewed off his own testïcles and ate them, right?

Edited

He may possibly have cut off his testicles( he claims to have done so), but he definitely didn't chew them off before eating them.

LalitaDevi · 04/09/2025 23:58

Actually most people want penïses out of little girls changerooms and sports.
Check out www.terfisaslur.com to see all the male violence directed at women over the years.

p.s. You know Mr Baker chewed off his own testïcles and ate them, right?

TERF is a slur

Documenting the abuse, harassment and misogyny of transgender identity politics

https://terfisaslur.com/

CohensDiamondTeeth · 04/09/2025 23:41

Catiette · 04/09/2025 21:49

There have been a few posters recently who have misunderstood/misapplied strawman. I've been wondering why.

They like to read what women here say and then repeat their words back at them, it's DARVO

Waitwhat23 · 04/09/2025 22:54

I do have to laugh at Chrissy mentioning a couple of examples of the signs with violent threats written on them as if they are isolated examples 'from years ago'. The images I am posting are from less than six months ago.

And you just don't see equivalent examples at women's rights events. You just don't. Because we're not violent, aggressive entitled men.

I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?
I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?
I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?
I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?
I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?
RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 04/09/2025 22:35

SirBasil · 04/09/2025 10:37

for any potentially non-peaked lurkers.

For the record: I am not gender critical. I am sex realist. I think "gender" is a social construct to restrict people's lives and i want no part of that. I'm a second wave feminist. Gender (stereotypes) can get in the bin.

I'm very happy for you to describe yourself as "sex realist", and to avoid the description "gender critical" when talking about yourself. But I am a little puzzled, as your description of yourself views looks exactly like "gender critical" to me.

Catiette · 04/09/2025 21:49

There have been a few posters recently who have misunderstood/misapplied strawman. I've been wondering why.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 04/09/2025 19:14

Negroany · 04/09/2025 19:07

I did answer. You're obviously not reading the words I have written. Not for the first time since you've been responding to me.

Negroany · Today 16:31
point out to me the Straw Man here as if i were 5...

You will find Google useful.

But the situation you explained was not the same. His was 'if you see', yours was 'I was held in a toilet against my will and fought my way out'.
I'm not punching any man I see in a loo. See. Any man I just SEE. And I would not suggest that to anyone.

SirBasil · Today 18:40
The google comment is a dick move. I know what a straw man is. You can't answer because the two scenarios I asked about are identical.

No, SirBasil is right.

What is she supposed to google exactly? And the two scenarios are exactly the same thing, or you could explain the differences without being patronising... if you can?

Pleasantsort · 04/09/2025 19:10

Chips, fried rice and curry sauce. That answer makes as much sense as your question Chris. You know what we what already. You just want to tell us off.

ThatCyanCat · 04/09/2025 19:09

Perhaps some of the drive by scolders could explain why, after years and years of this crap, with more of the cards tumbling every day, they think they will be the ones to defeat us and make us think that men are women and their violent threats towards women are OK and we do not in fact deserve single sex spaces. Do these people all think they are the Chosen One who will bring us down? The TRA Who Was Promised? The Terf Whisperer?

Negroany · 04/09/2025 19:09

AstonScrapingsNameChange · 04/09/2025 17:34

Its entirely possible to have thoughts on these things, ave to consider what we might agree with and what we might not.

Testing hypotheses like this is all part of critical thinking.

And discussion boards are ideal for discussing things (who'd have thought? ).

Judges and lawyers are humans too you know, they aren't a special race of beings, set apart from the rest of us plebs. (Edit to add: so are jurors).

Are you suggesting that we shouldn't think about difficult and complex issues?

Edited

No.

Negroany · 04/09/2025 19:07

SirBasil · 04/09/2025 18:40

The google comment is a dick move. I know what a straw man is. You can't answer because the two scenarios I asked about are identical.

I did answer. You're obviously not reading the words I have written. Not for the first time since you've been responding to me.

DrBlackbird · 04/09/2025 19:00

DoinFineIThink · 04/09/2025 11:07

So according to a pp, the OP is a trans woman.
So because it's a view this board doesn't like, you get deliberate "yes, Sir's" and posts referring to the OP as an irritating whine noise etc etc.... Kind of puts paid to the "we're just wanting a discussion" trotted out. Which is clearly a load of bullshit.

First, Chris doesn’t want a discussion going by how they never reply or respond to any / the more challenging questions. Second, we never asked for this ‘discussion’, which is not actually asking for a discussion but was entirely a gotcha posted in bad faith. Third, Dolores Umbridge is the perfect comparison of TRA admonishing everyone to bekind and inclusive in a sweet voice that can then oh so quickly switch to the tones of the authoritarian ‘You will not tell lies’ dictating compelled speech followed by punishment if somebody tries to say ‘no thank you’.

The drive by scolders just cannot resist the slightest possibility of sanctimoniously telling women off for being worried about losing their rights and the safeguarding of our children. Just once it’d be interesting if they actually ever engaged with the serious questions posed by many here.

PruthePrune · 04/09/2025 18:47

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SirBasil · 04/09/2025 18:40

Negroany · 04/09/2025 16:31

point out to me the Straw Man here as if i were 5...

You will find Google useful.

But the situation you explained was not the same. His was 'if you see', yours was 'I was held in a toilet against my will and fought my way out'.

I'm not punching any man I see in a loo. See. Any man I just SEE. And I would not suggest that to anyone.

The google comment is a dick move. I know what a straw man is. You can't answer because the two scenarios I asked about are identical.

SionnachRuadh · 04/09/2025 18:34

(He's definitely a he. I wasn't sure for a while either, but the other day he tried to disparage JKR by calling her Jo. Dude, dude, dude.)

He's slacking off then. On Trans Reddit the thing is to call her Joanne. This is apparently a hilarious name, according to middle aged blokes who call themselves Alexis and Vanessa.

ThatCyanCat · 04/09/2025 18:20

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 04/09/2025 17:30

Where is @Christinapple?

Have they realised that making this particular argument:

Whatever the law is it needs to apply to everyone equally. You can't have one rule for GCs and another rule for LGBT people and allies.

was a major own goal and decided to slink away from this thread with their tail between their legs?

No, he never learns. He'll be back.

(He's definitely a he. I wasn't sure for a while either, but the other day he tried to disparage JKR by calling her Jo. Dude, dude, dude.)

It was also an own goal for him to tell us that some of the more egregious images of TRAs threatening women are several years old. We knew that, but it's good to know that he does too... so he knows how long it's been going on for, and that violent, perverted men were exploiting this pretty much from the very start, so one can imagine what all these years of validation and support and sycophantic simpering have made of them.

Bumblebee72 · 04/09/2025 18:00

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