I'm confused what gender critical people want. Could someone clarify?

Please don't lump LGB in with the T+ brigade. Same sex attraction is not the gender cult.
As for being GC, you will find the majority are standing up for women and girls rights that have been eroded by men. There are very few examples of GC women getting violent. The TRAs on the other hand... Definitely two tier policing going on.

Putting that in my calendar

The perfect date!

Apparently that was a real answer to that question given by a beauty pageant (scholarship program!) contestant.

I re-watched it today 😂

Miss Congeniality Day is April 25th, because it's "not too hot, not too cold, all you need is a light jacket".

From Rhone Island’s ‘perfect date’ answer.

Ohhh when is Miss Congenality day?

No I've never heard of it before, but I like the message!

as "gender-critical people" are not a single hive mind.

Speak for yourself

Do you celebrate Miss Congeniality Day?

We do.

The message is, in the end, we’re all women. We stand together, we have something special in our sisterhood. All the make-up and bikinis are a side quest.

It's much worse than that. GL suggested a well-known self-defence technique when all else had failed, referring to men who were in a space they have no reasonable cause to enter. The TRA signs advocate violence against any woman who has reasonable views, protected in law, and worthy of respect in a democratic society.

oh don't get me wrong, i absolutely LOVE them

The Miss Congeniality films are a favourite of mine, a bit like comfort food in film form 😁

👍🏼

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

It’s the double standards the police apply that are infuriating. Glinner said to punch trans women in the balls. TRA signs at protests have said to ‘decapitate TERFs’. Which is worse??

Dick.

Christinapple I do kind of agree with you. I don't think incitement to violence is helpful from either side.

I think there's a fine line between free speech and hate speech. I think Linehan and KJK sometimes overstep that line, as do some trans activists.

I do think 5 armed police officers for a tweet is overkill though, for either side.

As to what gender critical people want more generally, I can only answer that for myself. I want an end to medicalisation of teens identifying as trans, though I support medical treatment being available to adults (over a certain age and with careful scrutiny). I want to maintain the right to single-sex spaces and services, though I support provision of gender-neutral spaces and "open" teams in sports.

Hope that answers your question. Also I'm sure many people on here will disagree with me, which is fine, as "gender-critical people" are not a single hive mind.

But I think that this group sees being "queer" as an identity in its own right. Genitals don't matter and you are considered a horrible person if you choose your partners based on that - didn't Nancy Kelly who used to run Stonewall say something about examining your prejudices if you exclude people on the basis of genitals? So they think lesbians should include trans women. But basically in their world none of it matters - being queer means you are up for everything.

Although - on one level of course Miss Congeniality takes a woman who does not conform to a US version of stereotypical femininity and squishes her right into that in a beauty pagent.

But it has so many layers, her original character shied away from those stereotypical feminine traits so that she would be taken seriously in her job. She looked down on the beauty pagent women at the start. But she realised in the end that she could be gorgeous, a tough FBI agent, a good friend, good fun... the whole works.

WHO KNEW??

Miss Congeniality - great film!

Y'know I saw the title of this thread and thought

"Oh it's going to be one of those bad faith threads"

I clicked on it, and saw the OP.

I was not disappointed.

I have not wasted my time reading it.

I'm not a member of this community, so I only throw this out there as a possibility... has it got anything to do with the recent phenomenon of straight people describing themselves as "queer"? I know a few of these. They date only people of the opposite sex but they're "pansexual" or "demisexual" or something like that, which apparently means they aren't just straight people attracted to particular features and traits...

It was an act of near suicidal stupidity when LGB allowed false teaming with TQ. LGB had it largely tied up in the West. Most people accepted LGB. Sadly the backlash against TQ is turning people against LGB. I don't understand why more LGB people aren't out on the streets with 'Not in our name' signs. LGB will pay the price for the endless narcissism of TQ. TQ will quietly slither away back into hiding. Many are straight OR may be samesex attracted but cosplaying at victimhood.

They never fail to remind me of a Kevin-and-Perry style teenager insisting that being told to put a mug in the dishwasher means everyone wants them dead...

I’m a lesbian too and really resent the hijacking of the acronym, rainbow symbol, and now even pride events. Great, the battle for LGB rights in the west has mostly been won, let’s leave it there. If gender ideology activists what to protest and fight for rights fine but don’t tack yourself onto the LGB community. Get your own bloody movement. It couldn’t be more different. Gender ideology is actively erasing gay rights by arguing that lesbians can have penises, lesbians should be open to dating men who identify as women and promoting the idea (intentionally or not) that there is no such thing as homosexuality because (as some of them believe) gender is fluid. It’s so fucked up. I wish more LGB people could see how much damage they’re causing instead of blindly following along with this woke idea of gender ideology and not looking deeper into it and actually questioning it!

@AnnaFrith

We are not the Borg.

Bugger. You mean I got all this done for nothing?

Crap.

TRAs think saying “no” is violence so ..🤷‍♀️

Haven't read the full thread.

People who are GC want the law to be based on the facts that sex is immutable, and sometimes matters, especially in cases where women may be vulnerable because men are bigger and stronger.

There is no reason why people who are GC should have the same view on free speech, we are not the Borg.

Personally, I think our laws on speech have gone way too far and need a total revision. There should be no legal protection from hearing words you find hurtful or 'offensive'. People need to develop some resilience. Claiming 'harassment' by someone on Twitter, where the option to block someone is easily available, is plainly ridiculous.

The ONLY restrictions on speech should be in relation to incitement to violence, or other actions that pose a risk of actual harm to someone. And the risk should reach a high threshold to warrant criminality. I'd say tweeting 'Decapitate TERFs' should not be criminal. (Although it's horrendous, and worthy of other sanctions, such as loss of employment). But 'Join me at (KJK's actual address) with an axe' definitely should be.