Imane Khelif appeals sex testing requirements.

IK has a DSD that only affects males. Probably 46XY ARD.
He is male. He was probably misclassified at birth (not unknown in non first world countries) but by the time he hit male puberty it would be obvious.

thought this case was more nuanced than a trans woman entering a woman’s sports in order to clean up the prizes.

Not really - both are a man knowingly entering the incorrect category, trying to steal prizes from women.

The history leading up to their decision to cheat is irrelevant, and the history generally is unclear anyway - "raised as a girl" claims tend to be rather sketchy - rather just a case of "well, they would say that, wouldn't they". There might have been a birth misclassification, but being male would have become obvious at puberty, long before the Olympics.

If there ever was a time they were genuinely unaware they were male, they had an ethical responsibility to withdraw from female competition as soon as they knew they were ineligible.

Erik Schinegger is an example of someone who did do the right thing in the 1960s, but unfortunately was punished by being unfairly barred from attempting to qualify in the male category:

There has never been anything stopping Semenya and Khelif from doing the right thing, as Schinegger did.

What does dsd and 46ard mean? Male chromosome?

DSD = Disorder (or difference) of Sexual Development - a more accurate and preferred general term for "intersex" conditions

5-ARD 46XY = the specific DSD condition that Semenya and Khelif have, that is deliberately scouted for. It can lead to misclassification as female at birth, while having absolutely no impact on general male body development beyond the genitalia. Hence producing the ideal athlete - someone with full male ability but female birth ID.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5%CE%B1-Reductase_2_deficiency

Sorry if I am being a noobette here but I thought IK was intersexed and raised as a girl by their family??

that would be different to a trans woman who is actually a man, raised as a male and assigned as a male at birth. ?

not trying to be disrespectful, I am deffo all for Women only spaces and not having men in women’s sports etc, but thought this case was more nuanced than a trans woman entering a woman’s sports in order to clean up the prizes.

IK has a DSD that only affects males. Probably 46XY ARD.
He is male. He was probably misclassified at birth (not unknown in non first world countries) but by the time he hit male puberty it would be obvious.

Sorry if I am being a noobette here but I thought IK was intersexed and raised as a girl by their family??

that would be different to a trans woman who is actually a man, raised as a male and assigned as a male at birth. ?

not trying to be disrespectful, I am deffo all for Women only spaces and not having men in women’s sports etc, but thought this case was more nuanced than a trans woman entering a woman’s sports in order to clean up the prizes.

It's all hot air to try and pr his way out of the situation.

I doubt there will be a court case. It's all about the optics in Algeria and being able to claim racism and unfair treatment without a loss of face.

Even if this does go to court, the evidence about risk to women is so great it will be deemed proportionate on safety grounds. So I'm not remotely concerned.

I am just waiting for the 'im sorry we handled this wrongly and were wrong' from all those who prattled on about prejudice and how Khelif was a woman. So far there's tumbleweeds.

I've had a quick trawl through some French-language Algerian news websites [I don't have Arabic] and it looks like a lot of them aren't really talking bout IK much at all - searches returning nothing at all. Defending the indefensible too difficult??

I found one site, La Gazette de Fennec, which on the contrary is running lots of stories on him , including the [alleged] inside story on what happened with the coach who said he was going to retire from boxing. [he is a baddie who never had IK's back, apparently....]

He is referred to as a woman but there are a couple of references to the challenges to IK's biological sex, which are strangely matter-of-fact, let's-wait-and-see, rather than the previous 'how dare they say that about our wonderful National Heroine' and 'it's all a plot by the evil Moroccans..'

One interesting point from that report was that in order to get a professional contract, IK needed to compete in 5 more amateur contests - don't ask me why 5, I'm just quoting! Which would explain the panic around testing having to take place right now, because IK wouldn't be able to achieve the 5 bouts needed to turn pro.

So there's probably a whole retinue of investors and backers and the shady figures that proliferate in pro boxing, waiting to see if IK is certifiably female and worth investing in, or certifiably male in which case he will probably be discarded like a losing betting slip.

I've had a quick trawl through some French-language Algerian news websites [I don't have Arabic] and it looks like a lot of them aren't really talking bout IK much at all - searches returning nothing at all. Defending the indefensible too difficult??

I found one site, La Gazette de Fennec, which on the contrary is running lots of stories on him , including the [alleged] inside story on what happened with the coach who said he was going to retire from boxing. [he is a baddie who never had IK's back, apparently....]

He is referred to as a woman but there are a couple of references to the challenges to IK's biological sex, which are strangely matter-of-fact, let's-wait-and-see, rather than the previous 'how dare they say that about our wonderful National Heroine' and 'it's all a plot by the evil Moroccans..'

One interesting point from that report was that in order to get a professional contract, IK needed to compete in 5 more amateur contests - don't ask me why 5, I'm just quoting! Which would explain the panic around testing having to take place right now, because IK wouldn't be able to achieve the 5 bouts needed to turn pro.

So there's probably a whole retinue of investors and backers and the shady figures that proliferate in pro boxing, waiting to see if IK is certifiably female and worth investing in, or certifiably male in which case he will probably be discarded like a losing betting slip.

Does anyone in Algeria think he’s a woman, given his treatment by the coach?

Well there's a big surprise. He's just proving he's a man without even doing the test.

It's all hot air to try and pr his way out of the situation.

I doubt there will be a court case. It's all about the optics in Algeria and being able to claim racism and unfair treatment without a loss of face.

Even if this does go to court, the evidence about risk to women is so great it will be deemed proportionate on safety grounds. So I'm not remotely concerned.

I am just waiting for the 'im sorry we handled this wrongly and were wrong' from all those who prattled on about prejudice and how Khelif was a woman. So far there's tumbleweeds.

I thought he was intent on suingJKR for saying he was a man. That seems to have been dropped. If he is a woman, wouldn’t it be so easy to take the test then sue everyone he wants.