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Posting upton’s old photos and name on twitter

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Biggadyboom · 02/09/2025 08:22

Look I’ve been in these discussions since before this forum existed. You don’t need to break it down for me. I peaked in 2018.

But the endless sharing of upton’s name accompanied by photos and horrible comments about him and his wife is not nice. It is totally is transphobia. It’s horrible.

I could kind of understand the point of it, if it was just the name being shared.

But equally the court has ruled that Upton has a right to privacy. I thought it was all about respecting court’s rulings?

but the sharing of private photos (presumably grabbed from social media) and especially their wedding photo with insults to both of them and speculation about their marriage is awful and will not help their be a resolution to this debate. It polarises it even more and is transphobia.

fair enough, don’t let Upton change the rules of the country and workplace based on personal beliefs . But that doesn’t involve posting personal information and photos , insults and horrible speculation.

or are we just going low now?

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ThatBlackCat · 03/09/2025 04:29

AS shows the OP has only posted on two threads (both they have started) and has never posted on anything in womens rights before. Not contributed to any of the Sandi Peggie threads, nor any threads on trans vs womens issues. A seemingly new poster who claims they are 'peaked' yet has never contributed to any discussion before.

Yeah. Bad faith.

Helleofabore · 03/09/2025 04:00

'most people on this forum are well behaved & understand the necessity of civilised behaviour'

I would suggest you don't go to AIBU at all to post then.

Helleofabore · 03/09/2025 03:38

NewGirlInTown · 03/09/2025 03:27

I agree.
He’s behaved like an absolute bastard and I hope he suffers the backlash for years

I am not sure how many patients will not know of this doctor's behaviour by now. I cannot see that inspiring any patient confidence now or in the future.

Helleofabore · 03/09/2025 03:35

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"That you & your posse are offended by being referred to as 'cookers' is on your own actions of stalker like hateful irrational conspiratorial harmful comments where even mumsnet agrees given a multitude of your posts have been flagged as hateful conduct & removed."

This is projection again. I have not had posts deleted, I had one hidden because of a link I posted.

You have had posts deleted though. Abusive posts. MN does not 'flag' posts either, so no, posts are not flagged as 'hateful conduct'. It is like you are on a whole other site, or to use another of your favourite phrases 'you are making things up'.

'small & very vocal cohort of illiberal individuals who exploit the platform via mob bullying tactics & misrepresentation to push their extremist ideology.'

Such as yourself?

You have just described your own tactics on this board over the past week. The fact that such a large proportion of your 'evidence' is based on misrepresentations of the truth just add to how apt this statement is about yourself. You obviously consider yourself to be liberal. Yet you post Men's Right Activism content as support for your posts on a Feminism Board. It is rather telling that you believe MRA content is liberal content.

Why should women accept your posting tactics, which bullying is a very good descriptor for, on a feminism board?

NewGirlInTown · 03/09/2025 03:27

LeftieRightsHoarder · 02/09/2025 08:29

Given what Upton has put Sandie Peggie through, not to mention his behaviour towards all the other women who had no choice about being his audience, I don’t give a damn.

I agree.
He’s behaved like an absolute bastard and I hope he suffers the backlash for years

NoStoneUnturned · 03/09/2025 02:44

It's really very very stupid to ban Dr. Upton's deadname from legal documents. Along with reporting Glinner.

Naturally Dr. Upton's old name and photos are circulating, along with "Upton Girl" and Glinner on the front page. Everyone's read what Glinner shouldn't have said.

I've got to wonder if trans activists just enjoy self destruction, at this point.

Howseitgoin · 03/09/2025 02:42

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Helleofabore · 03/09/2025 02:12

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 23:41

"Going too low"

I heard about mumsnet when I was curious as to why gender critical views were particularly prominent in the UK. As an Australian, I wondered why such a difference given our cultural similarities & came upon research & articles that pointed to Mumsnet as a major source of advocacy for Gender Critical views.

Whilst I'm sympathetic to GC concerns I, like many am also concerned how those concerns have been weaponised to facilitate a widespread culture of transphobia.

My experience only after a week or so here is that the majority of topics are extremely civilised, charming, helpful & benign when it comes to hateful conduct but in the Feminism chats? Dear oh dear. To claim 'are we going too far' has well & truly spectacularly underestimated the extent of hate that has already been embedded under the guise of feminism of all things, a vehicle that has always rejected biological essentialism & bigotry.

So it's no surprise doxing has become an acceptable practice.

Sad to see the UK whose long admired history on the birth place of civics has become so debased over an issue that has been presented as an existential threat but can be managed.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2022/05/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-interview

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Says the poster who calls women who disagree with them ‘cookers’ and other abusive things? Who posts men’s rights activism to defend their points on a feminist board? Who seems to have no concept of ‘civil’ discussion when it comes to a topic that they disagree on?

Mate, your posts on this board have been outstandingly hypocritical and this one is no different.

MistyGreenAndBlue · 03/09/2025 00:03

PrettyDamnCosmic · 02/09/2025 13:16

Are you sure she is NB? Theodore Upton stated on oath that they are in a lesbian relationship what with him being a woman & had suffered homophobia because of this.

Didn't he tell colleagues that he was trying to get his wife pregnant?
But sure, he genuinely thinks he's a woman 😂

Howseitgoin · 02/09/2025 23:41

"Going too low"

I heard about mumsnet when I was curious as to why gender critical views were particularly prominent in the UK. As an Australian, I wondered why such a difference given our cultural similarities & came upon research & articles that pointed to Mumsnet as a major source of advocacy for Gender Critical views.

Whilst I'm sympathetic to GC concerns I, like many am also concerned how those concerns have been weaponised to facilitate a widespread culture of transphobia.

My experience only after a week or so here is that the majority of topics are extremely civilised, charming, helpful & benign when it comes to hateful conduct but in the Feminism chats? Dear oh dear. To claim 'are we going too far' has well & truly spectacularly underestimated the extent of hate that has already been embedded under the guise of feminism of all things, a vehicle that has always rejected biological essentialism & bigotry.

So it's no surprise doxing has become an acceptable practice.

Sad to see the UK whose long admired history on the birth place of civics has become so debased over an issue that has been presented as an existential threat but can be managed.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/media/2022/05/mumsnet-founder-justine-roberts-interview

borntobequiet · 02/09/2025 22:52

Why not tell people off on the platforms where it’s being done? There have been very few on here. It’s certainly not a regular occurrence.

NebulousSupportPostcard · 02/09/2025 21:00

CohensDiamondTeeth · 02/09/2025 18:58

I clicked on this earlier for a look but it said the page doesn't exist

It's possibly then someone who got a lot of heat for whatever they posted, and then deactivated, and came back on a locked account. So whatever they said can't have gone down well, even by twitter standards.

Duckyfondant · 02/09/2025 19:45

I've looked for the photos after reading this thread and he looks exactly the bloody same, albeit with less facial hair

Dogsrbrill · 02/09/2025 19:06

NotBadConsidering · 02/09/2025 08:39

Do you post replies to the people who actually do this? You know, on Twitter, where it’s happening?

How utterly bizarre to come to one forum and blame people here for posts on another forum.

Always blame the women, thems the rules

NebulousSupportPostcard · 02/09/2025 19:04

pontefractals · 02/09/2025 10:27

This is my worry, too - we only know it's "bad" to mention his old name etc because (after some arguing) observers were allowed. This is potentially a threat to that in future cases. I dont think he should be granted anonymity, for all the reasons more eloquent people have laid out, but I am afraid we are playing into the hands of people who would rather the doors were kept closed.

I haven't seen or heard anything relating to the tribunal that suggests this could be the case. Observers (either in person or in court) have been given clear instructions and risk contempt of court for breaking the actual rules. The case management papers provide a great deal of detail about the arguments made before and during the case timeline. The respondents, through their KC, have made strenuous representations that the tribunal has rejected.

ThatCyanCat · 02/09/2025 19:04

CohensDiamondTeeth · 02/09/2025 18:58

I clicked on this earlier for a look but it said the page doesn't exist

It worked for me on the second try but it isn't worth the effort.

NotAtMyAge · 02/09/2025 19:04

Biggadyboom · 02/09/2025 09:23

Thanks for those having a discussion about it,

i think it is transphobia to post private photos and comment things like « pervert » underneath them.

as I’ve said since the first post, I can kinda see the point of the hashtagging his name, although I wouldn’t do it .

it’s the photos and insults that I think are awful.

i don’t think it’s justified and i think it plays into the narrative that terfs are transphobic.

If you post photos of yourself on social media, particularly an open platform like TwiX, they are by definition no longer private and are available to be shared by anyone for any purpose. It's why I'm on there anonymously and never, ever post photos of myself or my family. If you want privacy, you have to preserve it for yourself and Upton didn't.

I will also put my hand up and say I shared his old name in the form of the hashtag #TheoUpton, which trended almost all day yesterday, because I wanted to make the point that his lawyer was attempting to shut the stable door after that horse had not only bolted but run the Grand National. It was nonsense of her to talk about redacting the final submission statements to avoid his being outed, since the fact that he claims a trans identity has been in the media for the whole of this year. Naomi Cunningham warned against the request because of the risk of the Streisand effect and she was absolutely right. It's not transphobia, but public anger towards a man who has behaved extremely badly towards a colleague because she wouldn't accept his male presence in her female single-sex changing-room.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 02/09/2025 18:58

NebulousSupportPostcard · 02/09/2025 18:44

@Biggadyboom Biggadyboom · Today 11:15
someone asked what I consider transphobia
^x.com/TheParty1sOver/status/1962595945188622435^

I can't see this at all. There's probably loads I can't see as I don't have a big following. If your issue is with locked accounts, there's probably not much you can do except ask over there?

I clicked on this earlier for a look but it said the page doesn't exist

JeremiahBullfrog · 02/09/2025 18:57

Biggadyboom · 02/09/2025 13:01

Personally I won't be insulting or calling out. I'll be continuing to read, research. make up my own mind, write to my elected representatives, public bodies, support court actions, have debates and avoid folk who do nothing to solve the debate by insulting others online.

I work in the arts, I know many many people who consider themselves queer or under the trans umbrella. The vast majority of them absolutely believe all this, believe they are in the right and are not doing it to be perverted. Just like the many GC folk I mean are not resisting to be bigoted and evil.

Conflicts are fought by people who think they in the right. Or else why would they fight? ( bar course a minority of people who like conflict, are deluded or pychpathis etc)
I'm interested in a resolution. I hope it's coming.

Thanks for the advice, I'll avoid posting anything negative about Hitler in future because he thought he was in the right, and who am I to disagree?

SoThisisMe · 02/09/2025 18:54

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NebulousSupportPostcard · 02/09/2025 18:44

@Biggadyboom Biggadyboom · Today 11:15
someone asked what I consider transphobia
^x.com/TheParty1sOver/status/1962595945188622435^

I can't see this at all. There's probably loads I can't see as I don't have a big following. If your issue is with locked accounts, there's probably not much you can do except ask over there?

NebulousSupportPostcard · 02/09/2025 18:37

Biggadyboom · 02/09/2025 08:51

Ok well fair enough. it wasn’t you, it was those other kids. Those naughty ones over there. I get it.

Could I ask then that we could discuss it without the childish « wasn’t us » comments?

The last two days have been an exhausting blur of following the tribunal remotely and trying to keep up with press/tribunal tweets who had access to more documents, and who weren't held back by sound problems that remote observers suffered.

Those of us with a strong interest have been discussing all manner of aspects of the case fairly solidly for 7 hours plus each day. Despite that, I can't think of anything I could add that would enlighten you as to why people on twitter are posting whatever they are posting. It might be a good idea to read the Sandie Peggie threads to get a better idea of the issues that have come up for posters over here.

It's not that I'm not up for discussion, more that different discussions are ongoing.

Judging by today's events, Dr Upton must have considered the possibility of bringing himself (and therefore more press images) back to the public attention, because his counsel has taken action that could mean further evidence, if not an entire re-run of the case, may now be necessitated. I haven't been particularly interested in old photos of him, because one way or another we are likely to see more of him in future anyway.

CohensDiamondTeeth · 02/09/2025 18:33

@NeverOneBiscuit It's the guy in the Darlington nurses case that's trying for a baby with his girlfriend / wife.

Completely agree with the rest of your post though!

Mysticaldeer · 02/09/2025 18:13

Biggadyboom · 02/09/2025 08:48

It’s not transphobic to call a man a man , but it is to post endless private photos including wedding photos with comments like « pervert and enabler » under them.

I'd say you need to express your opinion to the poster that has done that then.

They have the right to respond or ignore, obviously.

Personally, I feel that as Sandie's husband and daughter have been put through the mill, as well as the insults and accusations thrown at SP, then Upton deserves a comment or three.

NeverOneBiscuit · 02/09/2025 17:34

I’m still incredulous that the op believes that Dr Upton thinks he’s a woman. In what way would HE ‘think’ that? He’s been through medical school, married a woman (non-binary? yeah, yeah) & by their own admission are trying for a baby.

Who does Dr Upton think is going to supply the sperm? The non-binary gender fairy? He must be wondering because apparently he really thinks he is a woman.

This is exactly why I have zero patience for any of this gender ideology guff. You only have to ask a few questions, just pick away a little bit, & you end up typing jaw dropping idiocy like the above.

I’m not on X but no I won’t be kind, I won’t lie, I won’t collude, I won’t perform the expected feminine norms. Dr Upton is an abusive man & he can face whatever consequences arise from that.