JKR asking similar questions to what I have been asking for years on here.

And even with an easy to follow visual aid!

We have the MoJ prison stats showing that sex offenders make up around 20% of male prisoners and over 50% of trans identified males in the prison estate. And TIMs occur more frequently in the prison estate than you would guess from their percentage of the population.

Now we here might concede that Prison Onset Gender Dysphoria is a thing, and some of these men might not be "trans" in any meaningful sense, but just trying to exploit loopholes. But trans ideology doesn't allow for that possibility, insisting that people are exactly what they say they are, no exceptions.

Bananas are a good snack. You lose a lot of potassium in your semen.

Exactly. And you saying transwomen are women won’t make it so either. You are not Jean Luc. Done forget to take a 20 second rest from the screen every 20 minutes. You don’t want eye strain and wrist strain do you?

it’s basic biology. Did you skip that lesson at school?

I have NUMEROUS times.

TRANS WOMEN ARE MEN.
The fact that this group of men may be at risk of violence from other men in men's spaces (which is not backed up by any data at all, statistically significant or otherwise) is not a good reason to put women at risk from this group of men.
As a reminder, the men you want to have full and free access to women's toilets, changing rooms and rape crisis groups are the same men who keep threatening to rape and murder us for not believing they are real women.
The evidence of the risk of harm from this group is the fact that they keep threatening to harm us.

Just saying so won't make it so…

Yeah. That’s why males don’t get to cone into female facilities. They can go tell men to #bekind. Don’t forget to eat a biscuit or something. You need to keep your energy up.

The facts show transwomen sexually offend 5 times higher than males. The risk of harm to females from transwomen is statistically significant.
The risk to transwomen from males is not just statistically insignificant, it is non-existent.

No they don't. You are making shit up. Put up evidence or shut up.

"OK, but would you agree that a couple of isolated incidents are more statistically significant than no incidents at all?
The UK government data is fatally flawed because equivalent crimes against women are not considered hate crimes.
As I said above, if all protected characteristics were given equal treatment in the hate crime legislation, you'd probably find more hate crimes being committed by trans people against women than against trans people, even taking into account the fact that trans people are a tiny minority. Because most of their online activity would be considered hate crimes."

Violence is specified in that data.

The 'only a few is enough' ould include women on women sexual assaults so what then? Individual loos for all? There's such a thing as 'logistics' where we just can't cater for everyone.

The facts show transwomen sexually offend 5 times higher than males. The risk of harm to females from transwomen is statistically significant.
The risk to transwomen from males is not just statistically insignificant, it is non-existent.

TRANS WOMEN ARE MEN.

The fact that this group of men may be at risk of violence from other men in men's spaces (which is not backed up by any data at all, statistically significant or otherwise) is not a good reason to put women at risk from this group of men.

As a reminder, the men you want to have full and free access to women's toilets, changing rooms and rape crisis groups are the same men who keep threatening to rape and murder us for not believing they are real women.

The evidence of the risk of harm from this group is the fact that they keep threatening to harm us.

Still male on male violence. Go take it up with men. #notwomensproblem. Don’t forget to drink some water. Those fluids need replacing. 😙

Indeed.

Very much the case.

Yes they DO.
Male-on-male violence does not justify males being placed in female toilets.
There has never been 1 (one) recorded incidence of a transwoman attacked in a male facility.
There are around 50 accounts of transwomen attacking females in female facilities.

Risk of harm either way does of which research shows statistically insignificant for women from trans women & statistically significant from men.

OK, but would you agree that a couple of isolated incidents are more statistically significant than no incidents at all?

The UK government data is fatally flawed because equivalent crimes against women are not considered hate crimes.

As I said above, if all protected characteristics were given equal treatment in the hate crime legislation, you'd probably find more hate crimes being committed by trans people against women than against trans people, even taking into account the fact that trans people are a tiny minority. Because most of their online activity would be considered hate crimes.

You are trying to use flawed data to argue for men to be allowed into womens single sex spaces.

The data you are relying on is warning labled at the bottom of the page

That’s a man problem then. Nothing to do with women. Don’t forget to antibac your keyboard. #goodhygiene .

"This is from the US (where they don't give a shit about women's rights) and not in any way relevant to what happens in the UK.
In the UK we have had Karen White sexually assaulting female prisoners in a women's prison, Katie Dolatowski sexually assaulting pre-teen girls in women's toilets, and trans activists threatening to rape and murder gender critical feminists thousands of times per day.
So yes, there is a very obvious risk.
I would say that letting men who don't claim to identify as women use women's toilets would actually be less risky than letting trans identifying men use them."

Isolated instances don't qualify as significant statistical data.

Oooh so then your proof of males with a trans identity being attacked in male spaces can also be ignored. So therefore there is no reason to let males into female spaces. I knew we’d get there in the end. Don’t forget your antibacterial wipes before you change hands. 😙

Um, the data I linked from THE UK GOVERNMENT proving trans people experience violence is not statistically insignificant.

Everyone is more likely to experience violence from men than from women. That's because men (including trans identifying men) are more violent than women.

The group most likely to be murdered by men, is men. Then women.

Trans people are less likely to be murdered than any other demographic.

It's not relevant in toilets, because men have to stay out of the ladies here. Including you.

Job done. We did it.

You should bake a cake or something @Howseitgoin. It might chill you out. I'm sure the wims on here could provide some excellent recipes.

Remember to wash your hands first, though. Hygiene and all that.

I think this thread has become fully derailled.
You're just bangging your heads against a brick wall now.

They are both more likely to experience violence from men as the links provided show.

Mens violence is not a problem for women to solve.

Quite. I know Mumsnetters do occasionally like playing with their food, though.

** Why do you think we need significant statistical data to justify trans identifying men being excluded from women's toilets, but no data whatsoever to justify them being allowed in?

The data already exists in both cases as provided . They are both more likely to experience violence from men as the links provided show. The don't have to be proven where for this to be relevant.