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JKR asking similar questions to what I have been asking for years on here.

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DialSquare · 01/09/2025 12:11

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J.K. Rowling@jk_rowling29m
As another man who once worked with me declares himself saddened by my beliefs on gender and sex, I thought it might be useful to compile a list for handy reference. Which of the following do you imagine makes actors and directors who aren’t involved with the HBO reboot of Harry Potter so miserable?

Is it my belief that women and girls should have their own public changing rooms and bathrooms?

That women should retain female-only rape crisis centres?

That men don’t belong in women’s sport?

That female prisoners shouldn’t be incarcerated with violent men and male sex offenders?

That women should remain a protected class in law, because they have sex-specific needs and issues?

That language should reflect reality rather than ideological jargon, especially in a medical context?

That women shouldn’t be harassed, persecuted or fired for refusing to pretend humans can change sex?

That women should not be threatened with violence and rape when they assert their rights?

That freedom of speech and belief are essential to a pluralistic democratic society?

That troubled minors, especially those who are gay, autistic and trauma-experienced, should be given mental health support instead of irreversible surgeries and drug treatments on non-existent evidence of benefit?

That gay people shouldn’t be pressured to include the opposite sex in their dating pools, nor should they be smeared as ‘genital fetishists’ when they don’t?

That cross-dressing heterosexual male fetishists aren’t actually oppressed, but having the time of their lives piggybacking off gender identity ideology?

That said ideology, and the privileged, blinkered fools pushing it because they suffer zero consequences themselves, have done more damage to the political left’s credibility than Trump and Farage could have achieved in a century?

Let me have your thoughts.

This sums up the views of the majority of posters on this board, however, we often have other posters tell us they don’t agree with us, but never what views they don’t actually agree with.

So, those of you that don’t agree with the majority view on here, what is it about the above that you don’t agree with?

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Tiredofwhataboutery · 01/09/2025 14:41

Bananaandmangosmoothie · 01/09/2025 13:05

I read that as implied? Because she doesn’t say ‘some’ either.

I would say you can make your own mind up sbout specific blokes. I think there’s a particular class of Tim that gets off on having women kowtow to him and having them publicly reprimanded if they fail to do so.

Merrymouse · 01/09/2025 14:38

Bananaandmangosmoothie · 01/09/2025 13:03

That cross-dressing heterosexual male fetishists aren’t actually oppressed, but having the time of their lives piggybacking off gender identity ideology?

This is the one I would take issue with from her list. I think she’s veering from fact to opinion here and there’s a nasty tone that is the reason many people dislike her. A lot of trans people are very confused and unhappy. I don’t think they’re all ‘fetishists’ and it doesn’t seem to me that a lot of them are ‘having the time of their lives’.

I don’t think it’s implied, and you seem to have missed this:

“That troubled minors, especially those who are gay, autistic and trauma-experienced, should be given mental health support instead of irreversible surgeries and drug treatments on non-existent evidence of benefit?”

FlirtsWithRhinos · 01/09/2025 14:36

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 14:19

That's an interesting perspective, and not one I wholly agree with.

Is a cult leader responsible for the behaviour of their cult members? Is an influencer responsible for the behaviour of their followers?

I'd suggest that most of us can agree that human beings, collectively, really aren't very bright and often simply and blindly mimic those who influence them.

If you are a die-hard fan of a person of influence then it's a fair bet whatever that person says or does is likely to influence your own opinions and, perhaps, lend legitimacy to your behaviour.
Now, I'd politely suggest that if a person who has influence over you - as JKR has over many - makes comments that are pejorative then the chances of you mirroring those in your own life are high.

For the avoidance of confusion by some of in this thread, I will say again - and for the last time - that JKR's support for women and women's right is extremely commendable. Her sneering, spiteful punching down comments against certain groups in society is not.

Edit: Emboldened the salient point as it seems some people are astoundingly adept at missing the point when it doesn't align with their opinion 🙄

Edited

Can you give some actual examples of punching down? Please don't include snippy but funny replies to someone who was slagging her off first.

I think if you could manage a ratio of, oooo let's say 1 to 10 of JKR punching down to the selection of choice comments on https://terfisaslur.com/j-k-rowling/, or maybe 1 to 1000 vs money she's given away over the years, that would be a fair target to see juat how unreasonable she really is.

Then try the same ratio of snark to saint for some prominent and feted TRAs.

After all, you wouldn't hold her to a higher moral standard than other people would you?

J. K. Rowling

The abuse levelled at just one woman who dared to have an opinion

https://terfisaslur.com/j-k-rowling/

IncyWincyEyeroll · 01/09/2025 14:33

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 14:19

That's an interesting perspective, and not one I wholly agree with.

Is a cult leader responsible for the behaviour of their cult members? Is an influencer responsible for the behaviour of their followers?

I'd suggest that most of us can agree that human beings, collectively, really aren't very bright and often simply and blindly mimic those who influence them.

If you are a die-hard fan of a person of influence then it's a fair bet whatever that person says or does is likely to influence your own opinions and, perhaps, lend legitimacy to your behaviour.
Now, I'd politely suggest that if a person who has influence over you - as JKR has over many - makes comments that are pejorative then the chances of you mirroring those in your own life are high.

For the avoidance of confusion by some of in this thread, I will say again - and for the last time - that JKR's support for women and women's right is extremely commendable. Her sneering, spiteful punching down comments against certain groups in society is not.

Edit: Emboldened the salient point as it seems some people are astoundingly adept at missing the point when it doesn't align with their opinion 🙄

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What do you actually mean though by sneering or spiteful comments to vulnerable people? You mentioned one about asexual awareness day. Do you think asexuals are a vulnerable group? I don’t, and I think asexual awareness day is both silly and malign. How should I express that opinion without being accused of “punching down”?

Otherwise, I’ve seen JKR been rude on twitter to individuals who are rude and abusive to her and other women, and who seem to fall into the category that she’s describe as cross dressing heterosexuals with a fetish. Are they also a vulnerable group in your mind?

Both genuine questions, not attacks

Helleofabore · 01/09/2025 14:21

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 14:21

I'm quite happy to blame her for Police Academy 6: City Under Siege, which I only recommend to those who think Police Academy 5: Assignment Miami Beach was robbed at the Oscars.

But I agree with pretty much everything she says above.

Blimey.... I haven't seen Police Academy past number 2!

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 14:21

Helleofabore · 01/09/2025 14:15

ooh.. well. If we are blaming her for shit she has 'imagined to be done', those sequels should be definitely included.

I'm quite happy to blame her for Police Academy 6: City Under Siege, which I only recommend to those who think Police Academy 5: Assignment Miami Beach was robbed at the Oscars.

But I agree with pretty much everything she says above.

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 01/09/2025 14:19

This is the problem with TRA, they force everyone to say a script, and anyone can be criticised for not sticking to it.

The script has moved on from TWAW, its now ensuring that prominent women are seen as having inappropriate views. If JKR was mentioned and he didn't take the opportunity to say he didnt agree with her, he'd get grief on twitter.

I suppose thats a lot of words for purity spirals.

Helleofabore · 01/09/2025 14:19

"Her sneering, spiteful punching down comments against certain groups in society is not."

If I were someone who was keen to censure JK Rowling for her responses to male people who abuse her, I would consider how censuring her for her responses supported her abusers.

No female person should be expected to just absorb and ignore the abuse of male people. To expect this is continuing the abuse of the victim.

Edit: to add a relevant quote.

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 14:19

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 01/09/2025 14:04

JKR is not responsible for the behaviour of ANY of the people who follow her.

That's an interesting perspective, and not one I wholly agree with.

Is a cult leader responsible for the behaviour of their cult members? Is an influencer responsible for the behaviour of their followers?

I'd suggest that most of us can agree that human beings, collectively, really aren't very bright and often simply and blindly mimic those who influence them.

If you are a die-hard fan of a person of influence then it's a fair bet whatever that person says or does is likely to influence your own opinions and, perhaps, lend legitimacy to your behaviour.
Now, I'd politely suggest that if a person who has influence over you - as JKR has over many - makes comments that are pejorative then the chances of you mirroring those in your own life are high.

For the avoidance of confusion by some of in this thread, I will say again - and for the last time - that JKR's support for women and women's right is extremely commendable. Her sneering, spiteful punching down comments against certain groups in society is not.

Edit: Emboldened the salient point as it seems some people are astoundingly adept at missing the point when it doesn't align with their opinion 🙄

Helleofabore · 01/09/2025 14:15

spannasaurus · 01/09/2025 14:03

This happens with her a lot more than her die-hard fans would care to acknowledge

I hadn't realised she'd written the Die Hard films

ooh.. well. If we are blaming her for shit she has 'imagined to be done', those sequels should be definitely included.

fromorbit · 01/09/2025 14:14

Ooooo bit of scandal someone from the film wanted to be in the tv series. Then turned on JKR after he wasn't involved. Who is it do we think?

Chris Columbus? Someone else?

J.K. Rowling

One of them tried very hard to enlist my help in getting a major part in it. Only after he didn’t get it did he decide it was time to put the boot in.

https://x.com/jk_rowling

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 01/09/2025 14:14

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 13:50

This happens with her a lot more than her die-hard fans would care to acknowledge (I'm sure we all remember her tweet in which she unnecessarily mocked an awareness day for asexuals).

Her support for women and women's rights is laudable and isn't in question [I've emphasised this for the hard of thinking]; it's the nasty and, perhaps tellingly, spiteful, opinionated behaviour she often exhibits that creates such disapproval of - and opposition to - her.

Another example of the power she wields? Her cult will be along shortly in an attempt to character assassinate me for posting anything other than fawning, mindless adoration of her.

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I do love you trying to preempt anyone disagreeing with you or having a reasonable debate, by labelling us as cult members, it’s rather a juvenile way to behave, if you don’t mind me saying, actually even if you do mind me saying.

’it's the nasty and, perhaps tellingly, spiteful, opinionated behaviour she often exhibits that creates such disapproval of - and opposition to - her.’ Opinions such as ‘people can’t change sex?’ I think you mean facts.

A woman having opinions that you don’t agree with automatically makes her nasty and spiteful, if I had a pound for every time a bloke has said that to me over the years 😂 if you want to take a look at who’s in a cult you might like to look in the mirror. It’s called the cult of misogyny.

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 01/09/2025 14:11

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 14:06

I think it was a fairly brief bit where he just mentioned that he was "sad" about the whole thing and "disagreed" with her, without going into any detail.

It's possible he was saying the bare minimum necessary to avoid getting cancelled in Hollywood. I mean he's still not been forgiven for that scene in Home Alone 2 when Trump helps out Macaulay Culkin.

I mean he's still not been forgiven for that scene in Home Alone 2 when Trump helps out Macaulay Culkin.

He practically got Trump elected.

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 01/09/2025 14:08

She should have thought about how sad her comments made the cross dressing fetishists feel.

Now, when they are wearing womens clothes in public for fetishistic reasons, everyone will be looking and judging. Before this tweet, everyone loved the cross dressing fetishists.

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 14:06

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 01/09/2025 14:03

I havent read/listened to the Chris Columbus interview, was there context to his 'love the art not the artist' comment?

I think it was a fairly brief bit where he just mentioned that he was "sad" about the whole thing and "disagreed" with her, without going into any detail.

It's possible he was saying the bare minimum necessary to avoid getting cancelled in Hollywood. I mean he's still not been forgiven for that scene in Home Alone 2 when Trump helps out Macaulay Culkin.

DialSquare · 01/09/2025 14:05

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 14:02

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not deliberately missing the point here.

On that basis, if you re-read my post and think about it you will (hopefully!) see that I have no issue with - indeed, actively support - her work for us, our right to single-sex spaces, etc. My issue is that she repeatedly and demonstrably sneers at certain groups in our society. It's ugly, unnecessary, and unwelcome.

The problem is not her own, clearly embittered, opinion about certain groups of people; it's that her very public spite is absorbed my the less enlightened among her followers and that, in turn, becomes what I can only imagine is frighteningly aggressive ideological opposition to the rights of said groups.
Again, that kind of behaviour is ugly, unnecessary, and unwelcome.

So I’m right. You don’t disagree but don’t like the way she goes about it. That’s your prerogative.
I disagree. After what she has had to put up with, I think she’s quite reserved.

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LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 01/09/2025 14:04

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 14:02

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not deliberately missing the point here.

On that basis, if you re-read my post and think about it you will (hopefully!) see that I have no issue with - indeed, actively support - her work for us, our right to single-sex spaces, etc. My issue is that she repeatedly and demonstrably sneers at certain groups in our society. It's ugly, unnecessary, and unwelcome.

The problem is not her own, clearly embittered, opinion about certain groups of people; it's that her very public spite is absorbed my the less enlightened among her followers and that, in turn, becomes what I can only imagine is frighteningly aggressive ideological opposition to the rights of said groups.
Again, that kind of behaviour is ugly, unnecessary, and unwelcome.

JKR is not responsible for the behaviour of ANY of the people who follow her.

JazzyJelly · 01/09/2025 14:03

My word, the irony of a poster suggesting that women can (and perhaps even do!) argue for men in women's prisons and rape crisis centres, whilst calling feminists 'useful idiots' for arguing against such things!

spannasaurus · 01/09/2025 14:03

This happens with her a lot more than her die-hard fans would care to acknowledge

I hadn't realised she'd written the Die Hard films

timesublimelysilencesthewhys · 01/09/2025 14:03

I havent read/listened to the Chris Columbus interview, was there context to his 'love the art not the artist' comment?

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 14:02

I see that Incel School still haven't taught their students to use the quote button.

Having had Brian explain at tedious length why a male murderer of children merits the use of female pronouns, I look forward to him further pwning JKR by explaining why rape survivors don't deserve single sex peer counselling.

ThisChicPinkRaven · 01/09/2025 14:02

DialSquare · 01/09/2025 13:56

So you don’t like the way she says it?

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not deliberately missing the point here.

On that basis, if you re-read my post and think about it you will (hopefully!) see that I have no issue with - indeed, actively support - her work for us, our right to single-sex spaces, etc. My issue is that she repeatedly and demonstrably sneers at certain groups in our society. It's ugly, unnecessary, and unwelcome.

The problem is not her own, clearly embittered, opinion about certain groups of people; it's that her very public spite is absorbed my the less enlightened among her followers and that, in turn, becomes what I can only imagine is frighteningly aggressive ideological opposition to the rights of said groups.
Again, that kind of behaviour is ugly, unnecessary, and unwelcome.

Noshadelamp · 01/09/2025 14:02

Bananaandmangosmoothie · 01/09/2025 13:03

That cross-dressing heterosexual male fetishists aren’t actually oppressed, but having the time of their lives piggybacking off gender identity ideology?

This is the one I would take issue with from her list. I think she’s veering from fact to opinion here and there’s a nasty tone that is the reason many people dislike her. A lot of trans people are very confused and unhappy. I don’t think they’re all ‘fetishists’ and it doesn’t seem to me that a lot of them are ‘having the time of their lives’.

I read it that as she's not mentioned trans people, she's referring specifically to the cross-dressing heterosexual male fetishists.

I don't personally know if JKR thinks this description covers all trans people, I would guess not. She's obviously describing some trans people at least.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 01/09/2025 14:02

Howseitgoin · 01/09/2025 13:56

Hi Brian.
Are you still arguing that the BBC is obliged to use female pronouns for a male murderer of children, or have you given that up for a bad job?
This would be useful to know, if you're expecting your criticisms of JKR's alleged bad faith to be taken seriously.

Hi Misojoe,

Are you still arguing that women are a monolithic stereotype when it comes to opinions? IE only a maaaan would disagree? 🤡

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 01/09/2025 14:01

DialSquare · 01/09/2025 13:56

So you don’t like the way she says it?

I know right? Why can't she take the moral high ground like the TRA Neo-Sexists do?

https://terfisaslur.com/j-k-rowling/

Oh. Awks.

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