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moto748e · 01/09/2025 18:08

It's misogyny re-packaged as progress. Like replacing actress with actor.

And we know what leads to, girls and boys, don't we?

moto748e · 01/09/2025 18:04

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 08:42

It must be years since I looked at the Guardian style guide - I haven't been a regular reader for a long time - so I don't know if there's a policy on this.

I do know you sometimes get obviously jarring bits of language at the Guardian, which comes with being a very ideological publication. I've noticed that in recent years they seem reluctant to refer to lesbians, and prefer to mention "queer women", which doesn't necessary mean the same thing.

Back in the day, the G used to explain/justify their style guide regularly, on grounds of logic, fairness, etc. But I'd like to see anyone claim that talking about 'men' when the topic is prostate cancer, and 'people' when the topic is breast cancer, or maternity, etc, is fair and equitable.

And yeah, I know they'd come out with some shit about men can get breast cancer too. But that's just a fig-leaf.

Also, if I'm getting this right, a 'queer woman' could be heterosexual, no? So not a lesbian.

ETA: typo.

NotAtMyAge · 01/09/2025 17:53

At least the Department of Heath and Social Care didn't fall into the people trap. “All women and girls* *deserve to be listened to and treated with respect. It should never be the case that period pains, which can be severe, are dismissed and women told to ‘just put up with it’." Is that Wes Streeting having an effect?

Kate8889 · 01/09/2025 17:41

Merrymouse · 01/09/2025 10:36

By definition, Turner syndrome only affects women.

There are some cases of XO/XY mosaic resulting in a male but it's very very rare. As far as classic XO some doctors consider it intersex and not a "true woman"

Petitchat · 01/09/2025 17:10

Absentmindedsmile · 01/09/2025 16:52

Ah well yes there is that!

You can tell I'm still angry about it all 😉

Breathe.....

Absentmindedsmile · 01/09/2025 16:52

Petitchat · 01/09/2025 10:44

I don't think it's misunderstood. I think it's blatant lies!

Ah well yes there is that!

LeftieRightsHoarder · 01/09/2025 10:48

Hoardasurass · 01/09/2025 10:24

Bit like the article about 75% of people getting thrush in their lifetime when the study quoted said 75% of women

… which means that’s about 38% of the population (as women are a little over 50% of the population, except in countries where they manage to kill us off through infanticide or misogynistic practices).

So the article on that subject was not just misleading but deliberately and massively inaccurate. Brilliant journalism!

Petitchat · 01/09/2025 10:44

Absentmindedsmile · 01/09/2025 07:01

Why bother with English lessons, when basic Biology is still misunderstood..

I don't think it's misunderstood. I think it's blatant lies!

Petitchat · 01/09/2025 10:42

deadpan · 01/09/2025 06:49

Exactly, if it was about men's prostate problems they wouldn't be referring to "people".

Or premature ejaculation!

Petitchat · 01/09/2025 10:39

BettyBooper · 01/09/2025 00:48

Periods effect men too! Especially, mostly and very much! They are most effected by something that only effects women!

Jeez you're such a bigoty bigoty face and you eat children for breakfast.

So sad.

Think about what you have done. 🤬🤬🤬🤬

🤣 🤣 🤣

Merrymouse · 01/09/2025 10:36

Kate8889 · 01/09/2025 10:34

I have XO karyotype and have periods. Some people wouldn't consider me a woman, I've been told that quite a few times, yet I do have a period.

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By definition, Turner syndrome only affects women.

Kate8889 · 01/09/2025 10:34

I have XO karyotype and have periods. Some people wouldn't consider me a woman, I've been told that quite a few times, yet I do have a period.

Hoardasurass · 01/09/2025 10:24

Ponderingwindow · 01/09/2025 01:03

@NotNatacha has summarized the problem perfectly. If the population is not defined, the results do not have the same meaning.

Bit like the article about 75% of people getting thrush in their lifetime when the study quoted said 75% of women

Hoardasurass · 01/09/2025 10:20

littlbrowndog · 01/09/2025 00:52

But they do mention women and girls later on the article. You need to read it properly

The only times women and girls are mentioned specifically is when the drs and minister are being directly quoted. The rest of the article (ie the bits the journalist wrote) its all young people and as adults, its a disgraceful attempt at erasing women and girls imho

LeftieRightsHoarder · 01/09/2025 10:18

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/09/2025 07:09

I imagine it's because trans women see womanhood as an exclusive club they want to belong to whereas trans men see it as an oppressive prison they want to escape from, so neither are happy about the term "women" being used in a biological sense.

The same doesn't appear to be true the other way round, when talking about men.

What an interesting point, thanks MissScarlett. It’s exactly how I felt when I was approaching puberty. Horrified at the boring drudging restricted life that awaited me as a woman. Then Women’s Liberation happened and the future was transformed. How sad that girls face the opposite now: a movement to reduce women’s rights and liberties.

NapoleonsToe · 01/09/2025 10:18

The Guardian should just rename itself The Misogynist.

I was listening to a podcast yesterday about a miscarriage of justice in the US. Part of of the evidence related to the victim of the crime - a girl - and whether she used pads or tampons. The lawyer speaking said 'we have 2 people familiar with periods in our office so I asked them'. So not only are we just people now, we're just people who are familiar with periods.

Catiette · 01/09/2025 10:13

MotherofPufflings · 01/09/2025 07:07

Even the introduction to the research paper in question begins "Chronic pain is more common in individuals assigned female at birth than in individuals assigned male.1"

Ffs.

Well, they should assign us all male, then, shouldn't they? I mean, Duh! What are they up to, condemning us all to a higher likelihood of chronic pain when they could have avoided it. Honestly! Grr.

assign verb [T] (CHOOSE)

to give a particular job or piece of work to someone: [ + two objects ] UN troops were assigned the task of rebuilding the hospital. The case has been assigned to our most senior officer.

If you assign a time for a job or activity, you decide it will be done during that time: Have you assigned a day for the interviews yet?

If you assign a characteristic or value to something, you say that it has it: Each visitor to the site chooses an online alter ego, which is assigned a name.

particular

1. special, or this and not any other: 2. especially: 3. not easily satisfied…

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/particular

C152 · 01/09/2025 10:13

The Guardian is a notoriously sexist/misogynist paper. I used to read it regularly until it became impossible to ignore the number of 'articles' attacking women.

WaryCrow · 01/09/2025 10:07

OOh, yes, I wonder how quickly they will be calling for more female teachers to support poor white girls now that the exam results have changed in favour of boys. Or whether we'll see all the horror about the masculinisation of education. What we should be seeing is horror at the masculinisation of work and destruction of the economic value of traditionally female roles, but clearly, we won't. I should start my own thread on this but, being female, I have to work and don't have the time to keep it up.

INeedAPensieve · 01/09/2025 10:02

Absentmindedsmile · 01/09/2025 06:56

Yes my sister had this with her work.

Breast cancer awareness day was all about people.

Prostate cancer awareness day was all about men.

Sickening.

Yep my work do this too. Enraging. I will eventually say something as the hypocrisy is what gets me about it. They had a thing on our internal comms about getting feedback from "people on maternity leave". The words woman, women or female were not mentioned once.

I went into their policies and OF COURSE the information about paternity leave said man, men, fathers. Enraging.

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 09:52

Quite. Peter Criss, the former drummer in Kiss, is a breast cancer survivor. He's a man's man, so if you wanted a male celebrity to raise awareness, he'd be great at that.

But I don't think that's what the blue fringes have in mind.

Absentmindedsmile · 01/09/2025 09:47

MotherofPufflings · 01/09/2025 09:36

And of course saying "people" get breast cancer isn't really because some men get it too - it's to stop the blue-haired alphabet folx having a tantrum

Exactly

NotNatacha · 01/09/2025 09:37

Sorry - wrong FWR thread.
That's my fault for having several screens open at once.

HappyNewTaxYear · 01/09/2025 09:37

FFS

Further evidence that trans ideology is all about the menz.

MotherofPufflings · 01/09/2025 09:36

And of course saying "people" get breast cancer isn't really because some men get it too - it's to stop the blue-haired alphabet folx having a tantrum

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