Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

Your child in this example of "hyperbloe"

Per the opening post you become the mother with a child filling out the application form but ignoring the request for you to declare your belief system when it comes to gender.

You send your child to the camp.
There are adults and children there.

The adults have a socio-political belief that people must be allowed to control the way they are described by others.

You stated you share the same belief.
You said that you feel so strongly about this that you would stop comminicating with me if I failed to accept that you had a right to dictate what words were used to describe you.

Therefore you are claiming that you would not have a problem with your child
• being taught to lie to you
• being told-off or sanctioned for correctly sexing a child
• being instructed by adults to obey instructions without question when you know said staff would openly lie knowing your child understood they were being lied to.

In the camp your child meets Sam.

Your child know Sam is a male.

The staff instruct your child that Sam is a female with she/her pronouns. And that your child must only recognise Sam as a female person.

Your child knows Sam is a male.
Your child knows that the adults know Sam is a male.

Your child knows that if there is a conversation about Sam, she/her rather than he/him is to be uses.

Your child knows an adult will force a adjustment of your childs language if male or him or he is used when speaking about Sam.

Your child knows that when you and your child have a conversation that Sam must be described as female not male and that the words she not he and her not him must be used.

So unless you ask your child for a detailed description the information you are given by your child is that Sam who slept in the same room as your child and shares changing areas and toilets is female

Eg
Sam slept in my room last night.
She has nice PJs and she changed into her Tshirt and jeans after we shower but before we had breakfast. I liked her runners.

@BundleBoogie 'this never happens' remember, and If it did the trans identifying male is still the victim....

I have had direct correspondence with the Baroness and she had personal conversations with the victim in question. Are you accusing either of lying?

Being female is not an identity, it is a fact... one not changed by personal feelings. A male person, even one with a secure identity, is still not female.

I think you are totally projecting.

'Gender' is all about stereotypes associated with the opposite sex to that which one is. Sex just is. It says nothing definitive about personality, character or personal preferences.

The women's and the gay liberation movemnts were predicated on a rejection of gender stereotyping. Transgenderism simply re-inserts it.

Righto.

So you think a child should completely accept what an adult says to them about the sex of a child.

The adult is evidently and actively lying about the sex of a child.

Feminists on here believe that these lies should be challenged.

You say this should not be done in case the child mis sexes someone.

Because you think that feminists are really responsible for the trans identifying children because actually they are the ones supporting stereotypes?

And you also believe that a Baroness lied in the HOLs about a woman who was raped in hospital.

😂

Apparently, the skeptic groups obviously have access to deliberately siloed information that has been kept out of the public because the woman did not wish the trauma of legal proceedings.

This is great! We should fucking ask the skeptics then to help us to keep track of all the reports on media where pronouns have obfuscated whether someone is male or female. Why the fuck didn't we think of this???

Oh... yeah...

So we know

• women are raped daily in the NHS
• the NHS allow men who claim to be women onto female wards including locked psychiatric wards
• NHS policies have said any woman who does not agree a man who says he is a woman is a woman is a bigot
• men who claim to be women are five times more likely than other men to commit sex offences

Yes Namey! Because the Skeptics told them so! Therefore it must be true....

I see. Why then do you trust skeptics groups and AI? We already know that some of the skeptics groups are quite specific in that they fully believe that male people can be 'woman'. So, I don't understand why you would put your trust in them. Yet your AI feed is listing Yahoo, GB News, and Skeptics and some South African references.

The AI feed is very clear that Baroness Nicholson discussed this in parliament. It is most likely from the Skeptics feeds that has expressed doubt because it was 'just one politician' who raised the issue, that she was asked not to name any further details because the woman was not going to take legal action.

Well... no shit Sherlock.

Why trust the skeptics? Oh.... right... because the skeptics have shown that they are very knowledgeable about why women would expect privacy around this incident. They have shown a depth of understanding why this woman who was very ill and lied to wants to be made public.... just like you have shown this depth of understanding. And obviously skeptics don't have any of their own biases at all....

It can be, but you get better at spotting ‘the script’, it starts off with the wide eyed, disingenuous, here I am, being all reasonable and genuinely wanting to debate in good faith, right through absolute falsehoods that have been debunked a million times, then the insistence that we all work with/know/meet completely passing TW every, single day, but have no idea, even though they are a tiny minority of people who just want to pee, then moving on to emotional blackmail, mentioning genocide, suicide, extermination, and seamless segueing into angry abuse, with the absolute pièce de résistance of a good old flounce.

You don’t think four year olds believe what their teachers tell them?

I agree with you, Ihavetoask, and that is why it is so important to highlight the negative effects of transgender ideology on girls [boys too, but you mention girls].

It's impossible for a girl to feel secure in her identity as a girl if she's hearing from multiple sources - the media, education, the medical profession - that her identity as a girl has no foundation in fact, and anybody, male or female, can be a woman, even men can be women if they say so.

The right of women and girls to be women and girls, with a clearly-delineated, factual, scientifically-verifiable definition of 'girl' 'woman' 'female is, is fundamental to the kind of strong identity you refer to.

So you're saying that a member of the House of Lords ( who are not politicians btw) has lied in the House and claimed that a person sexually assaulted in A&E was actually a person raped in a ward then lied to by the hospital?

And that all parents of transIDing children have caused their children to be trans by being gender conformist?

Do you have any idea how sophomoric your posts are? Embarrassing.

I dont trust your interpretation purely because I have no idea if you say and think these things, yourself.

You wouldn't believe ideology that tells you that you aren't a girl if you had been raised to be secure in your identity regardless of your expression. That's my opinion based on the trans people and their parents Ive met.

And no. I know these parents and have watched them interact with their children since they were young, some from babies, and that is not the way they interact.

I am not doubting that someone was sexually assaulted in an A+E. I am doubting what the politican claimed happened.

I think you are over-estimating the power of parents to control how their sons and daughters identify. Families do not exist in isolation, children do not learn to be adults only from their parents.

As soon as a child opens a book, watches something onscreen, seems a selection of toys, is brought to buy clothes etc. etc. they are exposed to the current gender stereotypes. Then they go to school, and unless the school is very careful, and doesn't promote gender ideology, they will get another dose of stereotypes. Then at a shockingly young age, they get a smartphone [as young as 8 isn't unusual] and social media gives them another dose.

The messages the parents have sent to their children about men and women or boys ad girls are just a fraction of the conditioning that children receive about gender stereotypes.

There is no such thing as a child who has been brought up away from any messages about gender except their parents', unless they were brought up on a desert island.

Parents who do their best to instil in their sons and daughters a strong independence about who they want to be, regardless of what society says they should be, often find that either social pressures, or teenage rebellion against everything their parents say, has more influence that parental messages.

Really?

The kind of people who describe a woman who raises a safeguarding concern about her child as 'ranting' and thinks she should do the nice womanly thing and shut up? Those kind of people?

Seriously? You're spending your time dismissing the allegations of a woman that she was raped on a hospital ward. The staff lied to the police and the woman by claiming that there were only women on the ward. It was the police who accessed CCTV who saw that there was a man claiming to be a woman who raped this woman patient.
If you don't understand why this woman didn't go public I can't help you. But women will understand why victims of rape and sexual assault need privacy. Evidently that's not in your frame of reference).

I know that the NHS will be desperate to keep this silent as it's yet another example of their complicity in enabling the abuse of women by men (see Sandie Peggie case for grim details of how this works).

I think they are often oblivious to how entrenched in tradition their own views are.

Yet they probably wanted a girl or a boy because they believe they will have certain personality traits. They likely use language that feminises "nice" behaviour in boys, and emasculates assertiveness or physicality in girls.

No they don't say that little Tommy is a girl because he likes sewing and painting, but they always talk about how he isnt like other boys who like destructive and disruptive behaviour.

Just to clarify, you believe that gender critical feminists are just pretending to be against stereotypes when really they believe the opposite?