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Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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PaddingtonSwear · 31/08/2025 08:22

Archive link here: https://archive.ph/zGGCc

Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

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RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 31/08/2025 23:25

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:12

You wouldn't believe ideology that tells you that you aren't a girl if you had been raised to be secure in your identity regardless of your expression. That's my opinion based on the trans people and their parents Ive met.

And you are projecting your very limited observation and experience onto all parents of trans children. This fits with your insistence that an incident which took place on a female ward is the same as one which occurred in A&E. Speaking with certainty from a place of ignorance.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 31/08/2025 23:01

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:46

Maybe it should be a wake up call. What messages have you really sent your children about men and women or boys and girls?

I have really explained to my son exactly what I believe and think about the reality of sex (biological in case you are in any doubt) and the restrictive social construct "gender". Will you please stop making ignorant assumptions about people you do not know.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 31/08/2025 22:51

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:42

They only start to vocalise this once their child "comes out" as a way to barter. If they held those views from the time the child was a baby, they wouldn't be where they are. That's my opinion based on what Ive seen.

You probably have no idea how offensive - and wrong - you are. I don't claim to be a perfect parent, and nor do the other parents I have got to know who have trans-identifying children, but we are not as you describe.

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 21:55

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 21:32

Was this validity of the rape mentioned by the Baroness being dismissed or diminished to reject that not knowing the sex of someone and being given false information about the sex of someone is not a safeguarding issue?

Was this to be denied in some sort of attempt to deny the comparison to any adult giving false information to a child about the sex of someone?

Yes, apparently there has only ever been one sexual assault in the NHS and that took place in A&E so a peer reporting a rape of a women on a ward must be lying and therefore it is fine to coerce children to lie about what they see.

Heggettypeg · 31/08/2025 21:36

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:41

Yes whatever. It doesn't change the fact that many of these parents if not most have rigid views about gender which they passed onto their children and essentially created their confusion.

I saw a post on Mumsnet a few days ago from a mother who remarked that their little boy had been quite into "girly" toys and colours etc and they'd been cool with that and just let him do his thing. But as soon as he started going to school she noticed that he stopped doing that and wanted "boy" stuff - camouflage patterns instead of pink etc. It's not the only time I've heard that sort of thing.

So I'd say never underestimate peer pressure, especially at times like a new school or going through puberty, when they're vulnerable because they haven't found their tribe and don't know where or even whether they'll fit in.

Especially in adolescence, they're likely to be pushing against their parents; even in a healthy family, that's a normal part of growing up. So is feeling that you are neither fish, flesh nor good red herring and that Mum and Dad will never understand.

Most teenage rebellions end harmlessly. Some of the ones that don't are ones where bad actors or even well meaning fools drive a wedge between the child and their parents. The men who convince an underage girl that illicit, unprotected sex is liberation. The drug dealers. The transactivists who say hormones and surgery will make you happy and anyone who says not is a hateful enemy and should be cut out of your life.

So don't assume that wanting to transition is always down to bad parenting. That's too simplistic.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 31/08/2025 21:33

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 21:30

And there I was thinking there was a new one for the bingo card. Alas, no.

Sad times.

Sad times indeed 😊

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 21:32

Was this validity of the rape mentioned by the Baroness being dismissed or diminished to reject that not knowing the sex of someone and being given false information about the sex of someone is not a safeguarding issue?

Was this to be denied in some sort of attempt to deny the comparison to any adult giving false information to a child about the sex of someone?

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 21:30

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 31/08/2025 21:24

There’s never anything new because it’s all bullshit and they know it. They think they can come here with a bright, shiny rehash of their worn out old crap and that we’ll fall for it.

And there I was thinking there was a new one for the bingo card. Alas, no.

Sad times.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 31/08/2025 21:24

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 20:30

For a minute I thought that the whole 'you feminists are responsible for transing kids because you really believe in stereotypes ' was a new one.

But actually, it's just a rehash of the whole 'anyone who doesn't meet your beauty standards blah blah blah' guff isn't it?

There’s never anything new because it’s all bullshit and they know it. They think they can come here with a bright, shiny rehash of their worn out old crap and that we’ll fall for it.

Helleofabore · 31/08/2025 21:09

But apparently, because the woman needed to not progress the case because of her mental health, the Baroness is to the doubted. Because the skeptics said that because of the lack of verifiable information released to the public, it must be a falsehood to be doubted and dismissed.

Why are we dismissing this again?

Nameychangington · 31/08/2025 20:56

Binglebong · 31/08/2025 20:38

Here's a WRN report on the same topic:

https://www.womensrights.network/hospital-report

2088 rapes in hospitals. And those are just the ones that were reported.

OldCrone · 31/08/2025 20:56

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:10

I am not doubting that someone was sexually assaulted in an A+E. I am doubting what the politican claimed happened.

It's recorded in Hansard. Baroness Nicholson spoke to the woman and knows all the details of the case. Obviously these details cannot be made public.

Health and Care Bill - Hansard - UK Parliament

This is the relevant part of her speech.

However, a rather wonderful lady—I cannot say who she is—was raped in hospital by a man about a year ago. There is only one definition of rape in Britain and that is male on female; you cannot rape if you do not have the structure of a male. She was raped and she naturally reported it to the police. The police spoke to the hospital, which informed them that there was no male in the hospital, therefore the rape could not have happened. They forgot that there was CCTV, nurses and observers. None the less, it has taken nearly a year for the hospital to agree that there was a male on the ward and, yes, this rape happened. It is on record—I know where the case happened, who the police are and where the hospital is. I know everything about it because she gave me the full case to make sure I knew that what she was saying was true.

During that year she has almost come to the edge of a nervous breakdown, because being disbelieved about being raped in hospital has been such an appalling shock. The hospital, with all its CCTV, has had to admit that the rape happened and that it was committed by a man.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 31/08/2025 20:51

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 14:23

She did by writing seriously.

The charity staff could have ignored the comment but they chose to engage with the mother MONTHS after the application was submitted.

They then chose to lecture her on the importance of pronouns.

They then chose not to accept her child based on her apparent GC views not aligning with theirs.

They then chose to lie when approached for a statement and claim it was due to the mother’s aggression.

All choices they made.

Binglebong · 31/08/2025 20:38

www.bbc.com/news/health-65671018.amp

Binglebong · 31/08/2025 20:38

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:45

Yes. The police usually do say that a crime occurred in this place at this time. There is no report of that except the case where someone was sexually assaulted in A+E. Can you produce any evidence of this occurring except what the politician said? Because without an actual factual report to go on, it is pointless debating what might have happened.

I would imagine this has already been robustly commented but are you seriously suggesting that there has only been one rape investigated on NHS premises?! I don't know what you say to you if you really believe that but here's a little light reading that took me at least 10 seconds to find.

www.bbc.com/news/health-65671018.amp

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 20:30

For a minute I thought that the whole 'you feminists are responsible for transing kids because you really believe in stereotypes ' was a new one.

But actually, it's just a rehash of the whole 'anyone who doesn't meet your beauty standards blah blah blah' guff isn't it?

HelenaWaiting · 31/08/2025 20:30

mamagogo1 · 31/08/2025 09:35

And yes their absolutely are trans children, very rare pre puberty but we have (now adult) person in the family, as young as 3 was saying it and kids certainly hadn’t been indoctrinated into this ideology 23 years ago! Nothing “happened” until said person was 18 years old as should be the case other than switching to a gender neutral name at 16 but absolutely was expressing gender non conformity at preschool age

There are no trans children. I wanted to be a penguin when I was three; does that make me trans-species? Fucking ridiculousness from stupid parents who have to stick a label on their child in order to make themselves feel special.

OldCrone · 31/08/2025 20:30

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:12

You wouldn't believe ideology that tells you that you aren't a girl if you had been raised to be secure in your identity regardless of your expression. That's my opinion based on the trans people and their parents Ive met.

Do you understand that there is a wider world beyond you and the people you know?

MarieDeGournay · 31/08/2025 20:29

I actually agree with Ihavetoask that it would be useful to have more details about that particular NHS rape case.

However, unlike Ihavetoask, I doubt very much that Baroness Nicholson deliberately lied to parliament, and I believe that if the report that she made to Parliament turned out to be inaccurate in any way, that she would come back, admit that she had misled the HoL, and correct the record.

So on balance, although I'd like more details, I take Baroness Nicholson's word that it happened, because I don't believe she is a liar.

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 20:29

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 18:53

I've been out so catching up. So someone has arrived on a feminist board to - checks notes - say that a woman claiming to have been raped in hospital by a TW is making it up even though there is cctv footage?

right

Edited

With the last bit no penis was involved so must be one of the no-penis sex who did it.
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OldCrone · 31/08/2025 20:29

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:10

I am not doubting that someone was sexually assaulted in an A+E. I am doubting what the politican claimed happened.

So you're accusing a Baroness of lying in the House of Lords. What is your evidence that she was lying?

OldCrone · 31/08/2025 20:25

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 19:05

I think they are often oblivious to how entrenched in tradition their own views are.

Who are 'they'? Not the feminists posting on here presumably, or you'd use the pronoun 'you'.

No, we're not just pretending to be against gender stereotyping. We really are against gender stereotyping.

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 20:20

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:21

So I read this and had some questions because it seemed to lack some details. So I put it in Chat GPT and they said:

You said:
Did this happen: Hospital told police patient was not raped because alleged attacker was transgender
ChatGPT said:
You're asking whether the claim is true that a hospital told police a patient was not raped because the alleged attacker was transgender. Here's what actually happened, based on credible reports:
What’s the story?
In March 2022, Baroness Emma Nicholson of Winterbourne spoke in the House of Lords (UK Parliament) about an incident which had occurred approximately one year earlier.
She stated that a female patient reported being raped. The police contacted the unnamed hospital, which reportedly responded that the crime “could not have happened” because “there was no male in the hospital” — implying that the alleged attacker was a transgender man and therefore not considered male under their reasoning. YahooGB News.
According to Nicholson, this denial persisted for nearly a year, until CCTV footage, along with witness and staff testimony, clearly showed that a male-bodied individual had indeed been present—and the assault had taken place. YahooGB Newsmedicalbrief.co.za.
Nicholson linked this incident to what she called "Annex B," part of an NHS policy that directs staff to assign patients to single-sex wards based on gender identity, rather than biological sex. She argued this policy caused staff to mislead or deny the presence of male-bodied individuals on female wards. YahooSkeptics Stack ExchangeGB News.
Is the claim verified?
The only source of this claim is the speech by Baroness Nicholson in Parliament. Media coverage (e.g., by GB News, MedicalBrief, Ground News, etc.) largely echoed what she said, but no public hospital name or official documents have been released to independently verify the claim. National ReviewYahooGB Newsmedicalbrief.co.zaGround News.
A thorough examination on Skeptics Stack Exchange noted that the incident rests solely on Nicholson’s statement, and that media reports simply repeated it. They pointed out that there has been no further documentation or confirmation from the hospital or NHS beyond what was said in Parliament. Skeptics Stack Exchange.
Summary
What was claimed: A woman’s rape claim was initially dismissed by hospital staff/administration to police because the alleged attacker was trans and “there was no male in the hospital.”
Evidence: First voiced in a 2022 House of Lords speech by Baroness Nicholson, supported by media reports quoting her directly.
Verification: There has been no public confirmation from the hospital, NHS, or police beyond Baroness Nicholson’s parliamentary remarks. No hospital is named, and no official documentation has emerged.
So yes—the incident was reported to have happened, but it is based solely on one politician’s account without independent corroboration or official confirmation.

So because it is something that only one person reported to have happened and there are no verified sources of information to confirm it, I am left with questions.

For instance, who were these police officers told that there was no male? The management of the hospital. Specific nurses on that ward? Who checked this and how was it checked? It leads me back to a list with patient names and an F next to the name and someone high up just saying there were only women in the ward that day. Not the actual nurses who treated the victim and the perpetrator lying to cover it up.

The thing that I don't understand about this the most is that you don't have to identify as male to be convicted of rape, you only need to have a penis. So by today's standards, anyone with a penis can be convicted of rape if they penetrate someone without consent irrespective of their "gender identity". It leaves the possibility that the victim was sexually assaulted rather than being raped, and was reported in another case. This could be what she is referring to but in that case, it doesn't seem as if the person was not convicted of rape due to their gender identity, but because of what did and what didn't occur. It was a sexual assault.

All that drivel and you cant work out that with humans only human males have a penis.

And try to imply it was a female sex offender
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GallantKumquat · 31/08/2025 20:18

One thing that's remarkable is the degree this issue has degraded the integrity of institutions. Captured organizations take it as carte blanche to aggressively lie and falsify in way that no other cause can motivate. Even if you had no sympathy for the GC point of view, surely the deterioration of governing institutions should cause concern. We we've seen it with NHS Fife, the NSL, Allison Bailey v Linnaeus Veterinary, the vicious regard action entrenched bureaucrats at the EHRC fought Falkner, the whole Tavistock debacle.

OldCrone · 31/08/2025 20:15

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 18:46

Maybe it should be a wake up call. What messages have you really sent your children about men and women or boys and girls?

What an utterly vile thing to say to a parent who is dealing with a very difficult situation with his child.

I was considering reporting your post but I think it should stand to show everyone what a disgusting excuse for a human being you are.

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