Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

She is not telling her child to say anything. She is anticipataing a situation in which her eight year old child might well correctly gender someone, and then be reprimanded for it.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree here. I do not think that addressing a person in the way they want to be is lying or denying reality.

When you try and weaponise your child into being your little political parrot, it is highly unfair on them and can even become abusive.

Weaponising safeguarding concerns? Weaponising human rights concerns? Yeah, right. Like JKR 'weaponised' the abuse she suffered.

Yeah she sounds a problem. Whatever your views, there is a time and place to express them, the way she went about it was all wrong. I'd have just left the pronouns bit blank. Now she fucked over her kid all because she just couldn't hold back from ranting about her opinions.

She shouldn't tell her kid that if "he sees" a girl, then he should insist it is a girl. He is a child and might be wrong. He might "see" a girl because a boy has long hair and then refuse to acknowledge his gender because mummy said girls look a certain way.

We’re going to have to agree to disagree here. I do not think that addressing a person in the way they want to be is lying or denying reality.

Doing so would not have negatively impacted her son in any meaningful way

telling a child they must lie is harming them

telling a child to deny the reality in front of them is harming them

telling a child someone else's feelings are more important than yours is harming them

We've arrived very quickly at 'she was right to have concerns but she expressed them in a non feminine ranty way therefore it's fine to punish her & her child' stage

Yes, I’d be concerned about intimate arrangements and would ask questions about those. But the article has no mention of that. It says that “She made it clear that if her child sees a girl, he should refer to her as a girl.” (My emphasis). That’s far beyond a concern for her or her son’s safety and decency, that’s intentionally looking to be confrontational. As is writing “seriously” on the application rather than just leaving blank.

People have the right to believe any nonsense if they want, as long as it doesn’t impact the rights of others. Whether that’s ley lines or gods or witchcraft or homeopathy or that you can change gender I don’t care. Unless the context demands otherwise (eg in court or when defending women’s rights) then referring to people by the name / address they choose is just basic decency.

I’m not sure what in my post led you to think I believe any child is born in the wrong body, or that anyone should deny reality.

But a disabled child with mental health issues related to gender has enough problems, and being challenged on their name/appearance while on holiday is unlikely to help them. Calling people what they want to be called, and not picking fights about how someone chooses to dress is not pandering to delusions it’s just being polite. Doing so would not have negatively impacted her son in any meaningful way.

No firstly, she said that her child will be calling anyone they think looks like a girl, a girl, which is a problem. She's essentially telling her son that her views on sex and gender supersede anyone else's reality. So if I am a boy with long hair, her son will be calling me a girl if he associates long hair solely with females. He will be calling any girls with short hair and a liking for physical activity a boy.

Then, instead of not answering the question, she found it appropriate to voice her socio-political views on a form. This shows that her level of self control is so low that she cannot recognise where it is appropriate to voice her views, and when she just needs to fill out a form.

When you try and weaponise your child into being your little political parrot, it is highly unfair on them and can even become abusive.

No firstly, she said that her child will be calling anyone they think looks like a girl, a girl, which is a problem. She's essentially telling her son that her views on sex and gender supersede anyone else's reality. So if I am a boy with long hair, her son will be calling me a girl if he associates long hair solely with females. He will be calling any girls with short hair and a liking for physical activity a boy.

Then, instead of not answering the question, she found it appropriate to voice her socio-political views on a form. This shows that her level of self control is so low that she cannot recognise where it is appropriate to voice her views, and when she just needs to fill out a form.

When you try and weaponise your child into being your little political parrot, it is highly unfair on them and can even become abusive.

Yes, I’d be concerned about intimate arrangements and would ask questions about those. But the article has no mention of that. It says that “She made it clear that if her child sees a girl, he should refer to her as a girl.” (My emphasis). That’s far beyond a concern for her or her son’s safety and decency, that’s intentionally looking to be confrontational. As is writing “seriously” on the application rather than just leaving blank.

People have the right to believe any nonsense if they want, as long as it doesn’t impact the rights of others. Whether that’s ley lines or gods or witchcraft or homeopathy or that you can change gender I don’t care. Unless the context demands otherwise (eg in court or when defending women’s rights) then referring to people by the name / address they choose is just basic decency.

I’m not sure what in my post led you to think I believe any child is born in the wrong body, or that anyone should deny reality.

But a disabled child with mental health issues related to gender has enough problems, and being challenged on their name/appearance while on holiday is unlikely to help them. Calling people what they want to be called, and not picking fights about how someone chooses to dress is not pandering to delusions it’s just being polite. Doing so would not have negatively impacted her son in any meaningful way.

there is no such thing as a trans child! No child is born in the wrong body and a disability charity going along with the idea that they are is bloody awful frankly. Are all the children with disabilities born in wrong bodies too or only the ones that on top of all their other challenges believe they're the wrong sex

coercing children into denying reality to sure up someone else's delusions is just plain wrong

Yeah she sounds a problem. Whatever your views, there is a time and place to express them, the way she went about it was all wrong. I'd have just left the pronouns bit blank. Now she fucked over her kid all because she just couldn't hold back from ranting about her opinions.

She shouldn't tell her kid that if "he sees" a girl, then he should insist it is a girl. He is a child and might be wrong. He might "see" a girl because a boy has long hair and then refuse to acknowledge his gender because mummy said girls look a certain way.

“I attempted to explain that as a charity, we value diversity and inclusion, and our primary focus is to ensure that every child feels safe and respected at camp, regardless of their gender identity.

Why is her child obliged to lie to make another child "feel safe and respected"

Why should the mother have to ask if her child would be expected to share changing rooms etc with a member of the other sex?

They rejected the child and offered the child a spot without the mother. That said they rejected her right to advocate on behalf of her child and favoured the genderist parents.

They were actually unable to produce a "inclusive" ethos of accepting that some people will have very different views.