Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

If everyone told the truth about sex this would never be a problem. As it shouldn't be.

What if they said this to a girl who is a tomboy? Yes we know you are a girl BUT because the kids think you look like a boy, you need to get used to them calling you "he". If you want them to call you she, grow your hair and wear a dress.

If adults weren't pretending that children can be the opposite sex, this would not arise. Children need to be able to trust the adults looking after them to tell them the truth.

as a girl who was a tomboy I was still very rarely mistaken for a boy and when I was I laughed and said I'm a girl because you know I was 8!!! And also because in the 70s girls having short hair, wearing trousers and climbing trees was very normal

if adults weren't so keen to force out dated gender stereotypes on children then maybe we wouldn't be where we are

I am talking about children who identify as their correct sex but might not be gender conforming in their appearance by traditional standards.

Where does a severely disabled child (or any child for that matter) get the idea that they were born in the wrong body?

If the child 'passes' that well, there'd be no risk of 'mis-gendering' and noone would need know about it.

We're not talking about a boy with long hair being mistaken for a girl. We're talking about (eg) a boy with long hair saying that he is in fact a girl.

The child could look like their chosen sex and her child may have used those pronouns. Much easier for a child to look androgynous than an adult.

No, I think that disabled children who identify as trans should be able to go. It should, however, be made clear that being correctly sexed is not a big deal and that the other children will not be forced to use 'preferred pronouns'.

Some disbilities make it very difficult to lie. I can remember a big drama when a transwoman was 'misgendered' by a young person with Down Syndrome. The transwoman insisted that having this syndrome was no excuse, but the transwoman was being completely unreasonable.

And the child has been punished- don't agree and pander to holy grail of trans? No camp for you!

And yes their absolutely are trans children, very rare pre puberty but we have (now adult) person in the family, as young as 3 was saying it

You do realise, I'm sure, that 3 year olds say all sorts of things, some of which make no sense whatsoever? Also that 3 year olds pretend to be all sorts of things that they are not.

was expressing gender non conformity at preschool age

What on earth has gender non conformity got to do with this? Have we gone back in time 10 years? Nobody even suggests any more that gender stereotypes have anything at all to do with transgenderism.

Gender identity and transgenderism are now all about how a person 'feels inside'. It's nothing to do with stereotypes. And how a person 'feels inside' to a large extent cannot be described, so we have no way of knowing if one person who claims this feeling has anything in common with others who do. Of course 'gender identity' also has no real definition and nobody can explain why the way a person 'feels inside' should have anything to do with how other people treat them or talk about them.

It's bizarre that this absurd belief system has been foisted on children, particularly children who have complex care needs already.

What if they said this to a girl who is a tomboy? Yes we know you are a girl BUT because the kids think you look like a boy, you need to get used to them calling you "he". If you want them to call you she, grow your hair and wear a dress.

'Our camps run with the help of a team of volunteers who are fully DBS checked along with staff who are also DBS (PVG in Scotland) checked.'

They’ve plainly discriminated against a disabled child on the basis of his mother’s lawfully held views. That’s appalling. Whether she’s “a nightmare” or not is irrelevant.

They have fallen into the trap of so many organisations following “DEI” in prioritsing gender identity above all other protected characteristics, based on their own personal beliefs

Well she hasn't really. Actually, she was proved quite right, as there was a child at the camp that her child was going to be expected to mis-sex.

Is she? She would have no idea if little Bobby her son saw at camp is a boy or a girl so how could she tell her child that the person she saw today with long hair and a football kit on is definitely male or female? She's telling her son to look at Bobby and guess and stick to that guess regardless of what others say.

https://www.otw.org.uk/residential-camp-handbook/adults-info/camp-accommodation/

'All campers and volunteers stay in modern residence-style accommodation at each of our sites (we don’t sleep in tents!). Depending on the site, our rooms sleep between 1-8 campers of the same team.
Please note that due to the structure of our camps, including team arrangements and accommodation, siblings of different genders or ages will not be able to share a room.'

But people of different sexes can share a room, provided one of them utters the magic 'trans' word?

'At Over The Wall Camp, we strive to be as inclusive as possible and meet the needs of every camper, so please get in touch if you have any questions or queries about bedroom arrangements.'

Nope but nice straw man

What they do is tell their parents exactly what I said above ie your child is more than welcome to come and present however they want however we cannot and will
not control how other ppl see them and you need to prepare them for the fact that other ppl may therefore use the pronouns of the sex they are rather than the one they see themselves as

He is a child. The world as he perceives it is pretty much an illusion and that's without the existence of people "changing" their gender. She's insisting on her child's right to assign people's gender as he (a child) sees fit.

I'm put in mind of the recent case in which a veterinary practice deregistered Allison Bailey because of her GC views and then tried to blame it on her being a difficult client. It appears to be something of a script. I suspect that the charity may have dealt with other potentially "difficult" or even "nightmare" parents far more sympathetically and without excluding their child.

There's no suggestion her child is going to be punished if he says a boy is a girl or vice versa. After all, children may misgender each other just because they think someone with long hair must be a girl, or indeed just because they have language problems. She's built a mountain out of the molehill of one question on the entry form.

Given the mum is the only one telling the truth here, that would be a wise conclusion for the child.

What mistake has the son made if
• he correctly sexes someone and
• uses the correct sex based word associated with the sex of the person?

Why would the child listen to the staff when his mum has told him that what he sees is the correct interpretation?

Has she? Or is she insisting on his right to be honest and to describe the world as he perceives it? His right to not be forced into speaking lies.

No, but the child's parents must not expect special treatment on account of it.

No child is 'trans'....in that all children are the sex that they are.

If parents are going to indulge a fantasy they should keep it to themselves and not expect others to indulge it too.

She isnt concerned. She is being confrontational. If she was concerned, she would ask what may happen if her child was to use the "wrong" pronouns for a child. She wouldn't approach it this way. She wants to vent her views. Her child's experience is secondary to her at this point.