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Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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PaddingtonSwear · 31/08/2025 08:22

Archive link here: https://archive.ph/zGGCc

Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

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Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:08

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 12:05

What if the question was compulsory to answer?

She strikes me a someone who correctly identified that this organisation actively supports gender ideology, which poses a risk to her child.

So absolutely does know 'where and when'.

It wasnt though. I'm 99% sure of that. And I've never seen it marked as compulsory despite seeing it more and more on forms. Actually, one one form recently it was, but it was a sort of drop down form and every single answer was compulsory. Even ones totally irrelevant to you and they wouldn't even have n\a to express that it isn't relevant. But that was more about the construction of the form than anything else. Bad coding or design or whatever.

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 12:07

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 11:58

Then she told him to double down based on what he sees

Because they know the staff will try to gaslight him.

Dippythedino · 31/08/2025 12:07

https://sex-matters.org/about-us/

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 12:06

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:01

I made those assumptions based on the mother's behaviour. As I said, I'd have left it blank and felt I'd said enough. She's one of those people who really don't know where and when.

Staying silent and thinking you've said enough is not safeguarding.

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2025 12:05

ThatBlackCat · 31/08/2025 11:14

Why shouldn't she 'vent' her views? Why should she say nothing and be silent? You can be damn sure the 'trans child' 's parents would not be silent! A woman stating her view is now 'confrontational'!? Sounds misogynistic to me. This is how batshit ridiculous this pernicious ideology is.

This. Any ideology that triggers the reaction “Sssshhh! They might hear you! You can’t say that you’ll get in trouble! Best just to keep your mouth shut” is a nasty, controlling, oppressive ideology. We already know of the Stasi like practices of police action against Wrongthink, it’s a feature, not a bug of this ideology to rely on people saying nothing in opposition to its horrible ideas and practices.

It’s remarkable to me how little understanding people have of how walked over they are when they comply with this way of thinking.

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 12:05

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:01

I made those assumptions based on the mother's behaviour. As I said, I'd have left it blank and felt I'd said enough. She's one of those people who really don't know where and when.

What if the question was compulsory to answer?

She strikes me a someone who correctly identified that this organisation actively supports gender ideology, which poses a risk to her child.

So absolutely does know 'where and when'.

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 12:03

Asking how disabled children like to be referred to is not particularly outrageous and part of respecting their rights to self-expression, something that can be really hard for those children who need constant care.

Child cannot be held responsible for their own safeguarding.

DuesToTheDirt · 31/08/2025 12:01

@Nameychangington yes I completely agree. I refuse to call these people "women," or other female terms such as "sister," "mother" etc, and this is easily avoidable. Pronouns are much trickier - people might say, "Well you don't use third person pronouns to a person, you just say, "you", but these people come up in conversation with other people.

"How is X? Has he passed his exam?"
"Are you seeing X at the weekend or is he still away with work?"

I can't use a name as a substitute here, that sounds ridiculous, and it's mentally taxing to rework the sentences. This means I often avoid talking about them at all.

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:01

Nameychangington · 31/08/2025 11:45

No, children aged 8 and above also go to school, where they are socialised by teachers and peers. That's why organisations pushing gender ideology have worked so hard to get into schools to promote their beliefs. This child has not purely been exposed to his parents ideas about sex and gender.

You're right that 'we have no idea what the family has been teaching the child about gender', yet your posts make a lot of assumptions about what that has been.

Humans can't change sex. This child has eyes and a brain and can very likely sex other humans accurately. Requiring him to pretend another person has changed sex, to make that other person happy, is exploitative.

I made those assumptions based on the mother's behaviour. As I said, I'd have left it blank and felt I'd said enough. She's one of those people who really don't know where and when.

deadpan · 31/08/2025 11:59

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 09:39

We've arrived very quickly at 'she was right to have concerns but she expressed them in a non feminine ranty way therefore it's fine to punish her & her child' stage

Politeness is sexless.
I agree that asking pronouns is ridiculous, but going to the lengths of writing "seriously" on the form spoke volumes to the charity and tbh would have done to me as well.
The one we should all be sorry for is the child, because they've now lost out on a lovely trip which is possibly their first considering the difficulties they have.

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 11:58

5128gap · 31/08/2025 11:10

Then that would be the complete opposite of what is being discussed here, wouldn't it? That would be a case where the children were wrong about the sex of the other child and therefore should be corrected. The situation the mother fears at the camp is that her son may be 'corrected' about the sex of another child when he was not wrong.

Then she told him to double down based on what he sees

JLou08 · 31/08/2025 11:58

There's more to it than your title

"In a statement, the charity claimed its decision was not based on the mother’s objection to the question about pronouns, but her “aggressive” conduct over the phone and the fact that a potential “conflict” might arise given there was going to be a <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/zGGCc/www.telegraph.co.uk/transgender/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">transgender child at the camp"

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 11:58

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 11:09

The beliefs were clearly documented by the staff member.

So either
a) the staff member made a decision which was not per policy or
b) the policy was followed.

As the organisation is not offering an apology or discussing retraining of staff (b) would be held to be true.

I dont think it as clear as that purely because of the mother's behaviour. If for instance, they came across her social media, saw sh3 is GC and then banned her child, that would be different.

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 11:56

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 11:04

Its a christian camp insisting that the child and mother believe that "Christ has Risen" in order to attend.

They believe in gender and dont place importance on sex. Which is a problem when safeguarding and safeguarding risk assessments require the designer to understand the importance of being able to recognise sex and to be able to be truthful.

How are they insisting that they believe that? Is the pronoun question compulsory?

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 11:55

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 11:42

The camp staff are Genderists just like Jewish or Muslim or Christian belivers they have a belief system which they follow.

In this case they demand was that the mother and the child follow a faith pratice of knowingly and actively mis-sexing people.

When the staff member phoned she explained how the belief and belief pratice applied to the camp and the application process. When the mother explained she was not of that belief system and did not follow the same belief pratice the staff member rejected the childs application and put the contact details on a no contact list.

Where did you get all this from? Is this a gender camp or a general activities camp?

OverlyFragrant · 31/08/2025 11:53

They're fucked

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 11:52

Nameychangington · 31/08/2025 11:51

Pronouns are rohypnol.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

By calling a male 'she', you are being required to pay lip service to the belief that male and female are identities which can be picked and chosen, rather than descriptors of biological reality. You are being required to experience discomfort and make more mental effort, to 'be kind' to someone else without any reciprocity or any acknowledgement of the impact it has on you. It's neither equal nor neutral.

Thanks for posting this. It should be required reading for everyone working with children.

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 11:51

This tiktok, reposted by James Dreyfus, clearly illustrates the dangers to children when organisations buy into gender ideology.

Thank goodness this tomboy girl's step mum was sensible.

https://x.com/DreyfusJames/status/1961341405617406322

https://x.com/DreyfusJames/status/1961341405617406322

Nameychangington · 31/08/2025 11:51

DuesToTheDirt · 31/08/2025 11:39

I know a couple of transwomen, who are referred to as "she" in our circle. But as time goes on, rather than getting used to it, I feel more and more annoyed that I am expected to go along with this. It does indeed fuck with my brain, and I feel I am coerced into a lie in order to "be kind".

Pronouns are rohypnol.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

By calling a male 'she', you are being required to pay lip service to the belief that male and female are identities which can be picked and chosen, rather than descriptors of biological reality. You are being required to experience discomfort and make more mental effort, to 'be kind' to someone else without any reciprocity or any acknowledgement of the impact it has on you. It's neither equal nor neutral.

Pronouns are Rohypnol • Fair Play For Women

There’s a lot of chat around about pronouns right now. Specifically, ‘preferred’ pronouns. By which is usually meant, the pronouns a person would prefer.

https://fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 11:47

AirborneElephant · 31/08/2025 09:51

Children and carers often use pronouns in the hearing of the other person particularly in guided play which given these children are severely disabled seems quite likely. “Let her have a turn”, “he pushed me” ect ect. It sounds very much like the mother would not only have ignored her son making a mistake (which would be fine), but would have actively insisted on referring to another child in a way that would be distressing to them.

So not addressing them then. In any case it is vital that children are able to describe what they see. They must not be gaslit and told someone they know is the opposite sex or coerced to pretend they are.

But also for the other child - social transitioning is not neutral. It embeds a false belief in a child. Pronouns relate to sex and they wish everyone to use wrong-sex pronouns to uphold a fantasy about themselves. It is not safe for children to be told they can force the world to pretend things that are false.

Nameychangington · 31/08/2025 11:45

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 10:52

The problem with saying this to a child is that so far, their only agency of socialisation has been the family and we have no idea what the family has been teaching the child about gender. This goes for everyone by the way. You're as likely to see people with extremely rigid views of gender expression at either end of the spectrum when it comes to this issue. You see the parents of "trans children" insisting their child is really a girl because they like dolls, and you see people at the other end who insist their boys can only play with cars and "masculine" stuff.

What this child "sees" will be through the lens of his parents. It's best that we encourage an open environment where we discuss how people vary despite being the same sex.

No, children aged 8 and above also go to school, where they are socialised by teachers and peers. That's why organisations pushing gender ideology have worked so hard to get into schools to promote their beliefs. This child has not purely been exposed to his parents ideas about sex and gender.

You're right that 'we have no idea what the family has been teaching the child about gender', yet your posts make a lot of assumptions about what that has been.

Humans can't change sex. This child has eyes and a brain and can very likely sex other humans accurately. Requiring him to pretend another person has changed sex, to make that other person happy, is exploitative.

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 11:42

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 11:00

Well I think that's a leap. A Muslim person may be expected share space with a Jewish person and accept that they are of a different religion. They're not expected to share each other's beliefs, though.

And as I was saying, I'd expect this to be almost a non-issue if this was at a group holiday for something that had nothing to do with religion and of more significance if religion was the purpose of the getaway.

Were the disabled children going away for some sort of activity related to gender identity? Or sort of like a summer camp thing where they do outdoorsy stuff?

The camp staff are Genderists just like Jewish or Muslim or Christian belivers they have a belief system which they follow.

In this case they demand was that the mother and the child follow a faith pratice of knowingly and actively mis-sexing people.

When the staff member phoned she explained how the belief and belief pratice applied to the camp and the application process. When the mother explained she was not of that belief system and did not follow the same belief pratice the staff member rejected the childs application and put the contact details on a no contact list.

DuesToTheDirt · 31/08/2025 11:39

SternJoyousBeev2 · 31/08/2025 11:27

It’s not being polite. It’s encouraging young children to accept the lie that we can be born in the wrong body or that humans can change sex. It fucks with the brain to see a male and feel obliged to say she/her. Why cannot the trans identifying child be told that they can view themselves however they want but that they must not expect other people to see them as they would want? It’s not ‘kind’ to encourage the majority to lie to enable a child to not have to face reality.

I know a couple of transwomen, who are referred to as "she" in our circle. But as time goes on, rather than getting used to it, I feel more and more annoyed that I am expected to go along with this. It does indeed fuck with my brain, and I feel I am coerced into a lie in order to "be kind".

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 11:35

@Ihavetoask You seem to be concerned that the child will mistakenly mis-sex another child and this will cause harm.

The situation is that trusted adults are actively demanding the child mis-sex another child against the evidence of his own eyes. This is harmful to all concerned.

There is no evidence that the former is happening, while the latter is what the whole situation is about.

Dippythedino · 31/08/2025 11:35

Unfortunately this type of behaviour is rife amongst the charity sector and it is well & truly captured. The girl guides has recently advertised for a safeguarding officer & the first image on the ad is of them at Pride with their rainbow flags. No pictures of their activities or participants but a very prominent display of their rainbows. They're sending a very clear signal of the type of candidate they want without explicitly saying so.