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Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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PaddingtonSwear · 31/08/2025 08:22

Archive link here: https://archive.ph/zGGCc

Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

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NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2025 12:24

DrPrunesqualer · 31/08/2025 12:19

That’s simply the excuse they have given when backed against a wall

From the actual information sourced it’s clear it has nothing to do with what she said on the phone and everything yo do with her GC views

They are lying

It’s also not an excuse for discriminating based on a protected belief like GC views are (Forstater).

“Oh yes, we know we can’t normally discriminate because someone has GC views, but we are pretty sure the law doesn’t apply if someone is just sooo uppity and rude about it.”

Let’s give that a test in court, shall we?

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:23

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 12:15

You keep repeating this argument as if there is some basis to it. There isn't.

There absolutely is. I see it often in my children's peers and their parents. Even among the "woke" ones. They always say their quiet, compassionate, passive boys aren't like other boys, aren't "boyish", and even will say words akin to effeminate. They have less rigid views about their girls but will still revert to these tropes.

Absentmindedsmile · 31/08/2025 12:22

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 12:21

In all of this as well I'm reflecting on how tiring and stressful it is to be the parent of a child with disabilities. The endless battle to get support and help in a country where social services is broken, where the benefits system can be Kafkaesque if you don't understand it, the fact that even with help it's exhausting

and then the orgs that are supposed to help want you to pass their gender ideology purity test

I think i might have got a tad aggressive too...

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Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 12:21

In all of this as well I'm reflecting on how tiring and stressful it is to be the parent of a child with disabilities. The endless battle to get support and help in a country where social services is broken, where the benefits system can be Kafkaesque if you don't understand it, the fact that even with help it's exhausting

and then the orgs that are supposed to help want you to pass their gender ideology purity test

I think i might have got a tad aggressive too...

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 12:21

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:13

No, she wasn't safeguarding her child by stating her sociopolitical views on a form asking the personal details of her child for a summer camp.

She might have been if she enquired about mixed sex environments and how that would be handled. She chose to make this about her and what she has to say on the matter rather than practical steps to safeguard her child. Now her child isn't going at all.

What a terrible parent she is for daring to question gender ideology.

And then raising the matter on the phone (which is taking practical steps to safeguard her child, by the way).

And now her child is being punished for it.

This is not about her 'socio political views'. It is about children being told the truth about sex by adults in positions of trust.

DrPrunesqualer · 31/08/2025 12:19

mamagogo1 · 31/08/2025 09:31

Sounds like it was the manner of the mother on the phone what was the main issue - they knew they had a trans child coming for goodness sake. Asking pronouns is not something I agree with really but there’s time to bring it up and times to keep your mouth closed, when someone is giving your kid a free holiday keep it closed

That’s simply the excuse they have given when backed against a wall

From the actual information sourced it’s clear it has nothing to do with what she said on the phone and everything yo do with her GC views

They are lying

SerendipityJane · 31/08/2025 12:18

PaddingtonSwear · 31/08/2025 08:22

Archive link here: https://archive.ph/zGGCc

Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

Some of us have been siren voices pointing out that in the pecking order of life, the disabled are permanently below all others. Any and every tiny little advance will be washed away by the societal pressure of disdain (if not disgust) for the disabled.

Notice how the immediate solution to all this gender woo bollocks was to "use the disabled facilities". Presumably because they are so common everywhere there's no way the disabled could need all of them. That and the spaces on buses.

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 12:17

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 11:56

How are they insisting that they believe that? Is the pronoun question compulsory?

What reason did the staff record as the reason they rejected the application?

Absentmindedsmile · 31/08/2025 12:16

‘We will be making the family unsuccessful for this year’s camp due to the lack of alignment with our inclusive environment.’

or
‘We will be excluding the child from this years camp because we are an exclusive environment. We do not include everyone. We only include people we want to include. People who agree with us. A clique, if you will. And yes, we’re saying fck that disabled child. Who cares about That child, we have so many others to care about, whose parents views do align with ours’

AnSolas · 31/08/2025 12:15

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 11:55

Where did you get all this from? Is this a gender camp or a general activities camp?

The report linked in the OP.
They demand that the mother comply with their language rules and refused the child access on the basis of the mothers rejection of the rules.

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 12:15

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:10

Do they? What if the parents think it is gaslighting to say that boys can have long hair or play with dolls? I'd want to know exactly what the parents are telling their child a boy or a girl "looks like" before I say said child should trust what they see.

You keep repeating this argument as if there is some basis to it. There isn't.

5128gap · 31/08/2025 12:15

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 11:58

Then she told him to double down based on what he sees

Where have you found that? The article linked to quotes the record made by the camp representative who said the mother said that if her son saw a girl he should call her a girl. There is nothing in the article to say that (in the highly unlikely event) the child makes a mistake about another child's sex and is corrected them he should continue to refer to them as the wrong sex. The mother is not quoted as having said that at all. It would also not align with her views as she would no doubt feel it important that the children were referred to as their correct sex.

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2025 12:14

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:13

No, she wasn't safeguarding her child by stating her sociopolitical views on a form asking the personal details of her child for a summer camp.

She might have been if she enquired about mixed sex environments and how that would be handled. She chose to make this about her and what she has to say on the matter rather than practical steps to safeguard her child. Now her child isn't going at all.

She was safeguarding her child from the harms of gender ideology imposed by adults.

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 12:14

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:13

No, she wasn't safeguarding her child by stating her sociopolitical views on a form asking the personal details of her child for a summer camp.

She might have been if she enquired about mixed sex environments and how that would be handled. She chose to make this about her and what she has to say on the matter rather than practical steps to safeguard her child. Now her child isn't going at all.

The form indicated they followed a belief system at odds with reality and safeguarding.

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2025 12:13

JLou08 · 31/08/2025 11:58

There's more to it than your title

"In a statement, the charity claimed its decision was not based on the mother’s objection to the question about pronouns, but her “aggressive” conduct over the phone and the fact that a potential “conflict” might arise given there was going to be a <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/zGGCc/www.telegraph.co.uk/transgender/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">transgender child at the camp"

If you’d read the rest of the article it states that internal documents revealed that not to be the case:

In a statement, the charity claimed its decision was not based on the mother’s objection to the question about pronouns, but her “aggressive” conduct over the phone and the fact that a potential “conflict” might arise given there was going to be a transgender child at the camp.

But internal papers documenting the incident state that the eight-year-old was barred after the summer camp concluded that the mother’s “views on gender and inclusivity” did not “align” with its own.

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 12:13

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 12:11

And yet you missed out the following paragraph

"In a statement, the charity claimed its decision was not based on the mother’s objection to the question about pronouns, but her “aggressive” conduct over the phone and the fact that a potential “conflict” might arise given there was going to be a <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/zGGCc/www.telegraph.co.uk/transgender/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">transgender child at the camp.
But internal papers documenting the incident state that the eight-year-old was barred after the summer camp concluded that the mother’s “views on gender and inclusivity” did not “align” with its own.
A report on the incident read: “We will be making the family unsuccessful for this year’s camp due to the lack of alignment with our inclusive environment."

Funny how ‘inclusive environments’ are so exclusionary

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:13

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2025 12:10

Safeguarding her child FFS!

No, she wasn't safeguarding her child by stating her sociopolitical views on a form asking the personal details of her child for a summer camp.

She might have been if she enquired about mixed sex environments and how that would be handled. She chose to make this about her and what she has to say on the matter rather than practical steps to safeguard her child. Now her child isn't going at all.

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 12:12

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:09

Safeguarding who? You're filling out a form. It isn't the place to express your socio-political views.

Safeguarding your child if you are putting them in the care of adults who lie to children.

In this case her instincts in questioning it were correct.

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 12:11

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:09

Safeguarding who? You're filling out a form. It isn't the place to express your socio-political views.

Safeguarding is everyone’s responsibility. If a form presents a safeguarding risk then it absolutely is your place you raise it.

Theswiveleyeballsinthesky · 31/08/2025 12:11

JLou08 · 31/08/2025 11:58

There's more to it than your title

"In a statement, the charity claimed its decision was not based on the mother’s objection to the question about pronouns, but her “aggressive” conduct over the phone and the fact that a potential “conflict” might arise given there was going to be a <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/zGGCc/www.telegraph.co.uk/transgender/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">transgender child at the camp"

And yet you missed out the following paragraph

"In a statement, the charity claimed its decision was not based on the mother’s objection to the question about pronouns, but her “aggressive” conduct over the phone and the fact that a potential “conflict” might arise given there was going to be a <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/zGGCc/www.telegraph.co.uk/transgender/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">transgender child at the camp.
But internal papers documenting the incident state that the eight-year-old was barred after the summer camp concluded that the mother’s “views on gender and inclusivity” did not “align” with its own.
A report on the incident read: “We will be making the family unsuccessful for this year’s camp due to the lack of alignment with our inclusive environment."

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2025 12:10

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:09

Safeguarding who? You're filling out a form. It isn't the place to express your socio-political views.

Safeguarding her child FFS!

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 12:10

JLou08 · 31/08/2025 11:58

There's more to it than your title

"In a statement, the charity claimed its decision was not based on the mother’s objection to the question about pronouns, but her “aggressive” conduct over the phone and the fact that a potential “conflict” might arise given there was going to be a <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/zGGCc/www.telegraph.co.uk/transgender/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">transgender child at the camp"

Given that there seems to be no acceptable way that women can challenge gender ideology, I'm unconvinced that the decision was based on anything other than her disagreement.

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:10

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 12:07

Because they know the staff will try to gaslight him.

Do they? What if the parents think it is gaslighting to say that boys can have long hair or play with dolls? I'd want to know exactly what the parents are telling their child a boy or a girl "looks like" before I say said child should trust what they see.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 31/08/2025 12:09

NotBadConsidering · 31/08/2025 12:05

This. Any ideology that triggers the reaction “Sssshhh! They might hear you! You can’t say that you’ll get in trouble! Best just to keep your mouth shut” is a nasty, controlling, oppressive ideology. We already know of the Stasi like practices of police action against Wrongthink, it’s a feature, not a bug of this ideology to rely on people saying nothing in opposition to its horrible ideas and practices.

It’s remarkable to me how little understanding people have of how walked over they are when they comply with this way of thinking.

The level of harm we're doing to children by selling them the lie that sex change is possible and desirable is immense. Transgender Trend published this by a Clinical Psychologist that lays out the immense psychological damage that is done to children by pretending they're the opposite sex:

www.transgendertrend.com/childhood-social-transition/

Ihavetoask · 31/08/2025 12:09

BettyBooper · 31/08/2025 12:06

Staying silent and thinking you've said enough is not safeguarding.

Safeguarding who? You're filling out a form. It isn't the place to express your socio-political views.

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