Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

I don't believe that children raised with healthy views about the diversity among men and women would fall victim to this ideology, frankly. I do think it always stems from how their parents and early agencies of socialisation taught them about gender, sexuality and relationships.

“There were no men on the ward so she couldn’t have been raped”

Yes. Looking like a man doesnt mean that someone is a man. Especially if you believe people in trousers look like men because that's how your parents raised you.

I think a child should be told the sex of a person and accept it, regardless of what they "see". I think that makes my views clear enough.

Consider a 12 year old girl on a school camp:

”When we got changed for swimming we were supervised by two women teachers. I know they were women teachers because they told me they were women teachers and Ihavetoask says I can’t question that, even though one of the teachers looked a lot like a man.”

"Told the sex" doesnt leave much room for lies. I am not advocating for lies. I'm advocating for factual truth. I am just saying that children need to accept the factual truth, irrespective of what their parents, family or church have told them about men and women.

I think a child should be told the sex of a person and accept it, regardless of what they "see". I think that makes my views clear enough.

When you say “be told the sex of a person” do you mean their actual sex, or their claimed sex?

No! They absolutely should not when the adults involved are lying to them!

The adults are lying to the child!

If the adults weren't lying then it would be reasonable for the child to accept it. But they are lying. It is therefore unreasonable for the child to accept it.

Parental / family alienation is baked into transgender ideology & practice with children being told from a young age that if parents don't immediately affirm and use correct pronouns they're bigots and children are better off without them.

Anyone who know anything about the life outcomes for children alienated from theur families (national data shows they do appallingly in every aspect measured) knows that keeping children in their families where possible is the best outcome.

But this doesn't stop the adult gender zealots who make it their business to promote the notion to children that parents who try to establish boundaries and safeguard children are bigots and transphobes and must be rejected.

I think a child should be told the sex of a person and accept it, regardless of what they "see". I think that makes my views clear enough.

I think a child should be told the sex of a person and accept it, regardless of what they "see". I think that makes my views clear enough.

I think a child should be told the sex of a person and accept it, regardless of what they "see". I think that makes my views clear enough.

If the form was not a place to express socio-political views why did the organisation decide to collect a viewpoint via their form?

Why did the staff member engage in a process designed for additional data collection?

Why did staff who held a different socio-political view reject the application on the basia of their viewpoint and the mother viewpoint not being in agreement?

But that doesn’t answer my question. Do you condone the practice of deliberately gaslighting children into believing they’re wrong about the sex of the person they’ve identified? Do you believe it to be appropriate for adults to lie to children? If so, why? Don’t you see the safeguarding problem with that?

In my personal experience, children aren't right as much as adults. And then even when many adults are right and correctly identify someone who isnt gender conforming as their correct sex, they do so in a way that reinforces rigid gender roles, such as the "boyish girl" or the "girly boy". Not just another variation of being a boy or a girl.

"Now she fucked over her kid all because she just couldn't hold back from ranting about her opinions."

The word "seriously" is a rant? What did the camp think it was going to accomplish by contacting her? What was the point? If submitting pronouns is voluntary then what difference would it make what was written there? The point wasn't her behavior after the fact the point was that she didn't comply with the right think to begin with. The camp should have just ignored what the parent wrote but they escalated it by calling her to criticize her views. Doesn't matter if another kid who is part of the cult is attending the camp the courts have made it clear you cannot compell people to say/believe what they dont believe, period. Even if she had left it blank her child has a right to not call a boy who thinks he a girl a girl and the camp can't do anything about it. What do they think they're going to do in the future when this situation inevitably happens? Calling a boy a boy isn't harassment because the truth is not hate speech.

In my personal experience, children aren't right as much as adults. And then even when many adults are right and correctly identify someone who isnt gender conforming as their correct sex, they do so in a way that reinforces rigid gender roles, such as the "boyish girl" or the "girly boy". Not just another variation of being a boy or a girl.

Yes but remember that there are a lot of transgendered people who are estranged from their families because they dont share their beliefs about gender. So it isn't like everybody who identifies as trans was raised by a parent who was all for the ideology by any means. But I bet the commonality will be that these parents all hold pretty rigid gender views despite their belief that they do not.

No that's not what happened. She made it clear that she would be telling her child to go with what they thought rather than what they were being told when it came to assigning pronouns to others. That's not what a child should be doing regardless of the state of affairs.

There was no need for her to do anything other than ask questions about logistics. She chose to step on a soap box inappropriately and her child was dismissed as a result.

No I don't think children should insist someone is say a boy, based on their limited experience of the world, even after being corrected and then be allowed to express all the reasons they think the other child isn't a girl and still call them "he".

I get why and how the waters have been muddied here, but I think that's for adults to handle on an actual political level. Voting, protests, etc.

No that's not what happened. She made it clear that she would be telling her child to go with what they thought rather than what they were being told when it came to assigning pronouns to others. That's not what a child should be doing regardless of the state of affairs.

There was no need for her to do anything other than ask questions about logistics. She chose to step on a soap box inappropriately and her child was dismissed as a result.

Which do you mean?

Children can sex humans from an early age, even their peers. Very occasionally they get it wrong and can get confused. If a child has made a mistake, that mistake should corrected. In that instance, it’s appropriate for a child to be “told” what sex someone is and what pronouns to use.

But you’re condoning the opposite: when a child is correct in identifying the sex of the human they’re describing, and using the correct sex pronouns, you’re saying children should be “told” that is wrong, and “told” not to do it. This is gaslighting children, abusive and a monumental safeguarding failure. Why do you support this?