Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

Agreed.

I'm not going to engage any further as I'm not sure that this poster is doing so in good faith.

Given women such as Myra Hindley and Rose West, sadly we shouldn't tell our daughters to put themselves into a vulnerable situation with women either.

And a staff members involved left themselves open to a criminal charge of perverting the course of Justice.

In the camps situation the have to take account of noncontact child sex abuse and taking a position on allowing mixed sex activities while risk assessing designing as single sex is a safeguarding fail.

I think I should be able to assume they are if my ward is designated as single sex.

But you can’t assume. That’s the point. So you can either wait until something bad happens, or check beforehand. You clearly don’t see an issue with letting something bad happen first.

Having hospitals only admit other females to my ward is something that would be achieved through voting.

Voting when? It what election? For whom? No one is looking out for your rights.

The belief that you need to change because you don't fit some rigid expectations or have been made to bekieve your biological sex is toxic

So in that instance, you would support children being told “Finn is a girl but thinks she’s a boy, but the stereotypical beliefs she has don’t make her a boy.” That means you support this mother in making sure her child isn’t told lies based on stereotypes while on camp, don’t you?

Oh wow. That's a really nasty thing to write.

You are also making a huge assumption about why parents of children who identify as trans are on the site and the sex of the children who identify as trans. Plus, a huge assumption about why they identify as trans.

I agree that it is not the job of another child to address the inappropriateness of labelling a gender-questioning child with the adult label 'Transgender'.

It is the job of whatever bodies oversee charities like this to make sure they avoid pushing children down the road towards what you describe as
The belief that you need to change because you don't fit some rigid expectations or have been made to believe your biological sex is toxic. Yes, they can harm others but I think every single trans person is being harmed by believing that they are the wrong sex ...

It will probably be pressure from parents which will force charities to adopt a more non-ideological and child-centred approach.

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it appears that ‘making a fuss’ is such a heinous crime that to avoid it you should put your child in a situation where spaces that are single sex for the preservation of privacy, safety and dignity may summarily be made mixed sex, and where moreover those In positions of power over your child may lie to them and encourage them to ignore their own instincts about the sex of those they interact with.

who knew that making a fuss was so bad?

That's a feature of transactivists the world over isn't it. To deny reality, promote alienation from parents and families, deny that others (especially women and children) have rights and to prioritise the demands of sacred caste.

You are by default and action defending the staff and the organisations decision to impose their belief sysyem on a child and mother and the decision to refuse the application on the same basis.

Unfortunately, even the most enlightened parents haven't been able to protect their children (particularly teenage girls) from the social contagion of this ideology.

Here's what happened in one family.

My first article- "A Mum's Voyage Through Transtopia" -Lily Maynard

This is from 2017, and things have only got worse since then.

Edited to add that the article was first published in 2016, so the events were even earlier than that.

When would have been the time to raise it? At the registration at the start of the camp? Half way through the camp? Afterwards?

Surely asking questions beforehand is the appropriate time to raise it?

There are numerous reasons also for that mother to being asking questions because there may well be issues around provisions of accommodations and toilet/showers. Why wouldn't it be appropriate for any parent or carer to be asking questions if they are feeling very unsure about what policies will be?

Here's an example:

Man jailed for abducting schoolgirl while dressed as woman - BBC News

The girl later told police how she had been unable to get a bus home and so started to walk when she was approached "by a lady in a car" who offered to give her a lift.

She said she had accepted the offer and got into the Jaguar car because she was cold and believed the "lady" to be non-threatening.

Perhaps this poor little girl (primary school age) hadn't been taught that sometimes a man might pretend to be a 'lady', and he's as dangerous as any other strange man.

They all knew. He was a fully intact male, an obvious male, and even the nurses looking after him LIED and said he wasn't a man, when they physically tended to him! They KNEW he was a fully intact male and they lied.

It’s amazing isn’t it, how willing people are to boldly state out loud and upfront how they don’t understand how safeguarding works, as if they’re proud of it. I’d be mortally ashamed if I held the belief that not making a fuss should be prioritised over preventing potential abuse, not repeating it ad nauseam on a thread.

And that would mean what for the child?

I didn't say she should have got her husband to do it.

And that is a data point collected by the staff as data unknown.

I don't think another child is the appropriate party to address this with the trans identifying child. It could cause more harm. Which is exactly why I discourage children from arguing about it with adults who have told them otherwise.

It absolutely was the time and place.

From your comments on this thread you might want to consider your own ideas of gender stereotypes tbh...

I don't think I need to be told specifically that the other patients in my ward are female but I think I should be able to assume they are if my ward is designated as single sex. That would mean that the hospital who are privy to such information only admit women to my single sex ward. I don't think I have the right to know the sex of everyone in my ward if it is not single sex just because I suspect someone is trans, though.

Having hospitals only admit other females to my ward is something that would be achieved through voting.

The reason I disagree with trans ideology is because I think it is most damaging to trans identifying people. The belief that you need to change because you don't fit some rigid expectations or have been made to bekieve your biological sex is toxic. Yes, they can harm others but I think every single trans person is being harmed by believing that they are the wrong sex opposed to just some trans people using this identity to exploit and harm.

But are you defending the charity making the child's chance at respite and recreation about their views?
And not just this child, but the child who the charity has inappropriately labelled 'transgender'.

I can and do choose every one of the pronouns I use when I communicate to you and about you.

Your choosing not to talk to me makes zero difference to my choice.

When is the time to raise safeguarding failures at a camp you wish your child to attend?

The hospital is not the subject of this thread, but I will comment that then and now, excuses for the management only work, if you accept that casual level of investigation into all rapes.

Suppose the ward had been truly female-only, and the rapist had been a man who sneaked onto the grounds and posed as a patient in the early hours of the morning?

Would it be acceptable to tell his victim that she couldn't have been raped because all the people documented to be present were female? Would it be normal practice? I don't think it would. I think it's standard to investigate for intruders.

So how come hospital management just shut it down with "no men present" that time? Well, I'd say it's because they knew who she meant.

And what would they tell you? That a woman spoke to them on their own or man did?