Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

>It pays to have the facts and only discuss those facts.

May I point out that a widely accepted line (at least, one that is never challenged) on Trans Reddit UK is that the government (with or without the NHS, or ONS, or Freemasons or Illuminati - take your pick) is or are deliberately hiding trans-identifying youth suicide statistics to further an “anti-trans” agenda.

Feminism is about equity for women - not about spouting hate - so maybe you're the person who's in the wrong place.

None of what you've just said actually has anything to do with feminism - this is akin to religious people using outdated texts in order to persecute gay people...but you'd probably think that was reasonable too 🤦🏻‍♀️🙄

I will never remove myself from a place that is in dire need to perspective and education- because ignorance will not be bliss, it will be harmful.

So jump down off your soapbox until you've got something sensible to say.

Actually if you look at the suicide rate for trans teens you'll see that it is a very real issue - and minimising it just because it doesn't suit your agenda is disgusting. Having worked with children within mental health it's heartbreaking to see how people like you make these kids feel - you're an awful human being if you think that's ok. No if's, and's or but's about that.
If you don't have a problem with your nasty views and comments making a child CS then you are monstrous.

Do fully explain how exactly a teen identifying as the opposite of their genetic make up "reinforces damaging socially-constructed stereotypes, and when it ignores the ways in which biological sex shapes both experience and oppression in real life, and seeks to erase our ability to speak about that"?
Some of these people have identified since they were 4-6years old, if it's affect a biological male or female it's affected them, and to deny that is pure ignorance.

I'd also love to know how you know what gender a person is? Do you think you've got the ultimate x-ray vision and you're going to spy through their clothes?!
It honestly laughable.

What you're actually saying is you won't respect a trans persons pronouns unless you can't tell the difference - which feeds right back into the point that it does not affect you! - not in your every day life, not to such an extent that you would be valid in being so hateful.
It only bothers you when you believe you can tell the difference - god help that bigger set, more masculine looking women who will have ignorant fools referring to them as male or trans when they simply look different to a "typical" female.

Mind blowing that so many people can't hear how stupid that is! "Oh it's ok for that man to be trans and for me to call him a man because he's got a beard and no breast - but if I got an incline he was born with a different gender identity I'd insist on calling him her"
That the reality of it - and that's why your whole view is ridiculous!

https://www.city-journal.org/article/aclu-attorney-confesses-transgender-suicide-claim-is-a-myth

MR. STRANGIO: What I think that is referring to is there is no evidence in some—in the studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide. And the reason for that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly, is rare and we’re talking about a very small population of individuals with studies that don’t necessarily have completed suicides within them.

However, there are multiple studies, long-term longitudinal studies that do show that there is a reduction in—in suicidality . . .

Chase Strangio is a female person with a transgender identity who is an extreme transgender activist that campaigns to have gender prioritised over sex when sex does matter. This was a remarkable admission under oath.

It pays to have the facts and only discuss those facts. Using misinformation such as that poster has done is very harmful. Especially since they say they work in children's mental health.

Agreed. Dreadful to weaponise suicide when talking about this exceptionally vulnerable group of children with numerous co morbidities who are being severely harmed by extreme transactivism and transactivists. The government had to issue this rebuttal because of the irresponsible use of dodgy statistics. For those who can't be bothered to read the link, 3 of the key points from the summary are:

1. The data do not support the claim that there has been a large rise in suicide in young gender dysphoria patients at the Tavistock.
2. The way that this issue has been discussed on social media has been insensitive, distressing and dangerous, and goes against guidance on safe reporting of suicide.
3. The claims that have been placed in the public domain do not meet basic standards for statistical evidence.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

You come on a feminist site, vomit your ignorance of safeguarding, then say we should 'keep our opinions to ourself' (presumably like good little women). Do you even know what section you are in, @DarkwingDuk The FEMINIST WOMENS RIGHTS site. And no, we WON'T keep our opinions to ourself. How about you leave this section if you don't like it. Cool, move along. Leave. This is our section, you came here. Don't let the door hit you on the arse. And keep your ignorant and dangerous opinions to yourself.

I disagree. If you arent given the idea that boys must do this and girls must do that, you'd have no reason to want to change your sex.

Actually if you look at the suicide rate for trans teens you'll see that it is a very real issue - and minimising it just because it doesn't suit your agenda is disgusting. Having worked with children within mental health it's heartbreaking to see how people like you make these kids feel - you're an awful human being if you think that's ok. No if's, and's or but's about that.
If you don't have a problem with your nasty views and comments making a child CS then you are monstrous.

Do fully explain how exactly a teen identifying as the opposite of their genetic make up "reinforces damaging socially-constructed stereotypes, and when it ignores the ways in which biological sex shapes both experience and oppression in real life, and seeks to erase our ability to speak about that"?
Some of these people have identified since they were 4-6years old, if it's affect a biological male or female it's affected them, and to deny that is pure ignorance.

I'd also love to know how you know what gender a person is? Do you think you've got the ultimate x-ray vision and you're going to spy through their clothes?!
It honestly laughable.

What you're actually saying is you won't respect a trans persons pronouns unless you can't tell the difference - which feeds right back into the point that it does not affect you! - not in your every day life, not to such an extent that you would be valid in being so hateful.
It only bothers you when you believe you can tell the difference - god help that bigger set, more masculine looking women who will have ignorant fools referring to them as male or trans when they simply look different to a "typical" female.

Mind blowing that so many people can't hear how stupid that is! "Oh it's ok for that man to be trans and for me to call him a man because he's got a beard and no breast - but if I got an incline he was born with a different gender identity I'd insist on calling him her"
That the reality of it - and that's why your whole view is ridiculous!

Please don't weaponise suicide to try to support your point. Yes, children and young people have appalling mental health issues. There is also no evidence that has been deemed as high quality that shows that the current treatments are improving the long term mental health of this group of child patients.

If you have evidence of which treatments improve the long term health of these children, please, link them up.

And please, by all means, send your evidence to the countries who have done substantial reviews on the studies who deemed there to be not enough evidence of high enough quality to support these treatments. Those countries are : Sweden, Norway, Germany, UK. France and Denmark too I believe.

So, link that evidence up so we can all see it please because it must be something that has been missed. Otherwise, please stop from spreading misinformation.

Do you have a link to this that isnt behind a paywall?

Actually if you look at the suicide rate for trans teens you'll see that it is a very real issue - and minimising it just because it doesn't suit your agenda is disgusting. Having worked with children within mental health it's heartbreaking to see how people like you make these kids feel - you're an awful human being if you think that's ok. No if's, and's or but's about that.
If you don't have a problem with your nasty views and comments making a child CS then you are monstrous.

Do fully explain how exactly a teen identifying as the opposite of their genetic make up "reinforces damaging socially-constructed stereotypes, and when it ignores the ways in which biological sex shapes both experience and oppression in real life, and seeks to erase our ability to speak about that"?
Some of these people have identified since they were 4-6years old, if it's affect a biological male or female it's affected them, and to deny that is pure ignorance.

I'd also love to know how you know what gender a person is? Do you think you've got the ultimate x-ray vision and you're going to spy through their clothes?!
It honestly laughable.

What you're actually saying is you won't respect a trans persons pronouns unless you can't tell the difference - which feeds right back into the point that it does not affect you! - not in your every day life, not to such an extent that you would be valid in being so hateful.
It only bothers you when you believe you can tell the difference - god help that bigger set, more masculine looking women who will have ignorant fools referring to them as male or trans when they simply look different to a "typical" female.

Mind blowing that so many people can't hear how stupid that is! "Oh it's ok for that man to be trans and for me to call him a man because he's got a beard and no breast - but if I got an incline he was born with a different gender identity I'd insist on calling him her"
That the reality of it - and that's why your whole view is ridiculous!

Actually if you look at the suicide rate for trans teens you'll see that it is a very real issue - and minimising it just because it doesn't suit your agenda is disgusting. Having worked with children within mental health it's heartbreaking to see how people like you make these kids feel - you're an awful human being if you think that's ok. No if's, and's or but's about that.
If you don't have a problem with your nasty views and comments making a child CS then you are monstrous.

Do fully explain how exactly a teen identifying as the opposite of their genetic make up "reinforces damaging socially-constructed stereotypes, and when it ignores the ways in which biological sex shapes both experience and oppression in real life, and seeks to erase our ability to speak about that"?
Some of these people have identified since they were 4-6years old, if it's affect a biological male or female it's affected them, and to deny that is pure ignorance.

I'd also love to know how you know what gender a person is? Do you think you've got the ultimate x-ray vision and you're going to spy through their clothes?!
It honestly laughable.

What you're actually saying is you won't respect a trans persons pronouns unless you can't tell the difference - which feeds right back into the point that it does not affect you! - not in your every day life, not to such an extent that you would be valid in being so hateful.
It only bothers you when you believe you can tell the difference - god help that bigger set, more masculine looking women who will have ignorant fools referring to them as male or trans when they simply look different to a "typical" female.

Mind blowing that so many people can't hear how stupid that is! "Oh it's ok for that man to be trans and for me to call him a man because he's got a beard and no breast - but if I got an incline he was born with a different gender identity I'd insist on calling him her"
That the reality of it - and that's why your whole view is ridiculous!

Wow, the ignorance is astounding!!

This camp goes up to 17 years - there are many teenagers who are trans and who also have a right to be able to attend the camp without being harassed by a grown woman - if you bother to read the article it says that they suggested her son go to one of the summer camps where the adults don't attend "In the wake of the incident, Kevin Mathieson, the charity’s chief executive, also wrote to the mother, suggesting that she “consider” applying for her son to attend a five-day residential camp for the children, without their families"
So clearly the issue here is that she was aggressively against trans people and they had a trans child attending, that child has the right to be protected from nasty adults that refuse to hold their tongue.

It always blows my mind that people sit there ranting and get upset about how another human being chooses to represent themselves - even when it doesn't affect them AT ALL!. Some people seriously need to grow up.
How is any decent person thinking it would better for these people to CS than to simply change their pronouns...how damaged do you have to be to think that is ok. It's disgusting!

I honestly couldn't care less what gender someone wants to be seen as. This whole idea that a child or teen would pretend to be trans just so they can spy on people from the opposite genetic make up is so stupid. They're all kids, get over yourselves and your silliness. Let them be whatever they need to be to survive the sh**show that is life.

If you don't like it, cool, move along - you don't need to. Just keep your opinions to yourself! Simple.

Feminism is about equity for women - not about spouting hate - so maybe you're the person who's in the wrong place.

None of what you've just said actually has anything to do with feminism - this is akin to religious people using outdated texts in order to persecute gay people...but you'd probably think that was reasonable too 🤦🏻‍♀️🙄

I will never remove myself from a place that is in dire need to perspective and education- because ignorance will not be bliss, it will be harmful.

So jump down off your soapbox until you've got something sensible to say.

I couldn't care less what gender someone else thinks they are either. It's no concern of mine. But when they demand that I conceptualise my own material reality according to their beliefs, then I do have a problem. I have no desire to announce my pronouns to support their belief system, which was what was being demanded in this case. Particularly when that belief system reinforces damaging socially-constructed stereotypes, and when it ignores the ways in which biological sex shapes both experience and oppression in real life, and seeks to erase our ability to speak about that.

So, yes, it does affect me.

And I don't believe that anyone has said that they would prefer trans people to commit suicide than change their pronouns - resorting to this kind of lying and emotional manipulation, while very predictable for adherents of this movement, is not going to gain you much credibility here.

And that would mean what for the child?

Feminism is about equity for women - not about spouting hate - so maybe you're the person who's in the wrong place.

None of what you've just said actually has anything to do with feminism - this is akin to religious people using outdated texts in order to persecute gay people...but you'd probably think that was reasonable too 🤦🏻‍♀️🙄

I will never remove myself from a place that is in dire need to perspective and education- because ignorance will not be bliss, it will be harmful.

So jump down off your soapbox until you've got something sensible to say.

😂
Fancy making yourself look like a prat by insulting the intelligence of a poster before you've done a quick Advanced Search to see their posting history.

Honestly duk, you'll get nowhere on here slinging insults around instead of informed arguments and engaging with issues. Maybe Reddit's more your cup of tea if it's the slanging match you're after?

Doing so would not have negatively impacted her son in any meaningful way

telling a child they must lie is harming them

telling a child to deny the reality in front of them is harming them

telling a child someone else's feelings are more important than yours is harming them