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Charity rejects disabled child for mother's GC views

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PaddingtonSwear · 31/08/2025 08:22

Archive link here: https://archive.ph/zGGCc

Pretty shocking but it seems they think they're right.

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RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 04/09/2025 21:15

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 07:15

Thank you for proving my point about the opinions of the average MN user. You do indeed subscribe to rigid gendered thinking. It is helpful to have direct posts to link to when examples of this are needed. Would you like to add anything else about men and women?

If you think TheBlack Cat is the average MN user, let me suggest that you may be very much mistaken. Her posting style and content are quite different from various other MN regulars.

AnSolas · 04/09/2025 15:48

Binglebong · 04/09/2025 14:20

Well this thread had been successfully hijacked.

Mummmm.....
I think the OP is seeing a live action TRA car post crash

[(Edited) posted to soooon☺️ ]

... Which kinda proves the point🤷‍♀️.

Binglebong · 04/09/2025 14:20

Well this thread had been successfully hijacked.

Namelessnelly · 04/09/2025 12:53

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 07:25

Why because women are meant to be sickly sweet and passive in their communications or they aren't real women?

We get told to use a kinder tone a lot on here. Apparently posters agree with what we say but not the way we say it. So I’m just letting you know why you may be read as male. I don’t really care either way tbh. You do you. I was just trying to #bekind

5128gap · 04/09/2025 09:31

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:36

Personally I use gender and sex interchangeably, so every time youve insinuated that I am male, youve attributed a male gender to me because I have a different opinion to you.

If you use the terms interchangeably, it follows you believe they mean the same thing? And that the state of being referred to as 'gender' is in fact another way of describing one's sex? So what do you think is going on with the trans child at the camp then? If their gender is 'boy', then to you this must mean their sex is male. So why are they trans?

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 09:23

PrettyDamnCosmic · 04/09/2025 09:20

I am old enough to remember so when I first encountered the GI cult I got a strong whiff of PIE.

Queer is another version of PIE. Every significant queer theory academic is a supporter of child abuse.

RedNine · 04/09/2025 09:22

PrettyDamnCosmic · 04/09/2025 09:20

I am old enough to remember so when I first encountered the GI cult I got a strong whiff of PIE.

Yes indeed. A strong whiff of PIE.

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 09:21

It is entirely disingenuous of someone to post on a board titled “Feminism: sex and gender discussions” and claim faux innocence about ‘using sex and gender interchangeably’.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 04/09/2025 09:20

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 08:47

”I think part of the reason they want to blur the definition of women and men is for men to get access to children.”

I am old enough to remember so when I first encountered the GI cult I got a strong whiff of PIE.

nutmeg7 · 04/09/2025 09:15

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:57

In this case youd be one of the idiots saying I must be a boy, you get that, right?

No, I don’t get that. It’s the opposite of what I just said.

You seem to be confused between a study showing average differences in communication style, and then taking that to mean that your communication style therefore dictates your sex. And that you must therefore change your “sex” by chopping your tits off. That is stupid reasoning.

Both can be true. Make and female communication styles can be different on average. And, any individual female can communicate in a more “masculine” style and vice versa.

I don’t care what sex you are. I haven’t made any accusation about your sex. People in here have accused you of being male because of the average communication style differences that people come across all the time in every day interactions. All you can do is say “no, I’m female.” The argument isn’t going to be settled here is it? You know who you are, that should be enough.

To then say “what if that makes me think I am male and have to cut my boobs off” is stupid hyperbole, displaying no sense of personal autonomy. Which is why I gave my school example previously.

But I note you use sex and gender interchangeably, so that makes it hard to communicate unambiguously.

I would stop bothering that people in here think you are male and get on with your life.

AnSolas · 04/09/2025 09:04

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:57

In this case youd be one of the idiots saying I must be a boy, you get that, right?

Trite personal attacks
Waa waa waa look at me

Did you ever even express an opinion on why the staff decided that it was OK to discriminate against a child?

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:57

nutmeg7 · 04/09/2025 08:52

Then you’d be stupid.

I was told I shouldn’t be good at maths and engineering (by boys at school who didn’t like me beating them in tests).

I was not dumb enough to think “but I am good at maths, so perhaps that means I should chop my tits off”.

I just thought “I am me and I am good at maths and you’re all a bunch of idiots if you think that makes me not female. Why does being good at maths change my sex?”

In this case youd be one of the idiots saying I must be a boy, you get that, right?

AnSolas · 04/09/2025 08:53

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:34

No it really isn't. Firstly as I've said, none of the usual risks of speaking your mind are here and secondly, women are being taught to be less passive in their actions and words anyway. Online seems a good place to start.

Lastly, as Ive also.said before, we haven't all been raised the same way even if we are all women. Things like culture, class and generational experiences will shape that.

A poor Black woman who grew up in Tottenham is going to come across as rather different than a wealthy white woman from Chandlers Ford.

Blame the women and loudly proclaim that women are to blame.

nutmeg7 · 04/09/2025 08:52

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 07:51

So you can tell what genitals a person has because they talk a certain way. So let's say I am definitely a woman, and you say this to me, what if I assume I must be male then and want to chop my boobs off? I cant be a real woman by your estimation of how all women are.

Then you’d be stupid.

I was told I shouldn’t be good at maths and engineering (by boys at school who didn’t like me beating them in tests).

I was not dumb enough to think “but I am good at maths, so perhaps that means I should chop my tits off”.

I just thought “I am me and I am good at maths and you’re all a bunch of idiots if you think that makes me not female. Why does being good at maths change my sex?”

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 08:47

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:36

Personally I use gender and sex interchangeably, so every time youve insinuated that I am male, youve attributed a male gender to me because I have a different opinion to you.

”I think part of the reason they want to blur the definition of women and men is for men to get access to children.”

LetMeGoogleThat · 04/09/2025 08:41

OTW have form for discrimination, I made a complaint about them back in 2016. My complaint was their blanket ban on all children and YPs with ASD, with no discussion or consideration about individual needs.

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:36

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 08:16

I haven’t attributed gender to anyone.

Personally I use gender and sex interchangeably, so every time youve insinuated that I am male, youve attributed a male gender to me because I have a different opinion to you.

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:34

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 08:24

Of course it is transferable to online communications, not least about safeguarding which you are clearly oblivious to the need for.

No it really isn't. Firstly as I've said, none of the usual risks of speaking your mind are here and secondly, women are being taught to be less passive in their actions and words anyway. Online seems a good place to start.

Lastly, as Ive also.said before, we haven't all been raised the same way even if we are all women. Things like culture, class and generational experiences will shape that.

A poor Black woman who grew up in Tottenham is going to come across as rather different than a wealthy white woman from Chandlers Ford.

WarmWasabi · 04/09/2025 08:30

I think part of the reason they want to blur the definition of women and men is for men to get access to children. Parents of disabled children who need personal care must be concerned about that personal care being carried out by ‘women’ with ulterior motives. She’s had enough, I don’t blame her!

5128gap · 04/09/2025 08:25

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 08:16

It is not just about socialisation to norms though, for women it is also about safety. All women will have experienced sexual harassment before they leave school. A large number will have experienced sexual assault. Men commit 98% of sexual assaults. Men are bigger, stronger and have a penis to rape women with. So of course women react to that in their communication style. You just need to look at the reaction to the SC to see how men react when women say ‘no’ to them. The risk posed by men to women is universal across all cultures.

Yes, I agree. Our sex impacts our life experience, our safety and how we are treated. I'm taking issue with the person I responded to accusing women of 'gendered thinking'. There are experiences and behaviours common because of sex, and these are a result of how we are treated due to our biology, rather than things we opt in and out of in accordance with our chosen 'gender'.

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 08:24

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:19

I'm not saying that you're wrong overall, but this is culturally dependent and just isnt transferable to online communication. You cant hurt me from there, so even if id never use this tone offline in case you punched me, online, I don't have that risk. So you cant use my "online bravery" as evidence of a penis.

Of course it is transferable to online communications, not least about safeguarding which you are clearly oblivious to the need for.

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:19

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 08:16

It is not just about socialisation to norms though, for women it is also about safety. All women will have experienced sexual harassment before they leave school. A large number will have experienced sexual assault. Men commit 98% of sexual assaults. Men are bigger, stronger and have a penis to rape women with. So of course women react to that in their communication style. You just need to look at the reaction to the SC to see how men react when women say ‘no’ to them. The risk posed by men to women is universal across all cultures.

I'm not saying that you're wrong overall, but this is culturally dependent and just isnt transferable to online communication. You cant hurt me from there, so even if id never use this tone offline in case you punched me, online, I don't have that risk. So you cant use my "online bravery" as evidence of a penis.

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 08:16

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:15

Says the person attributing gender to someone based on their opinions.

I haven’t attributed gender to anyone.

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 08:16

5128gap · 04/09/2025 08:07

You are using the same broad term 'gendered thinking' to describe two different things. The first, the belief that there are inate personality traits caused by their sex. This is possibly at the root of the fear of having a male baby, the mother believes his biological maleness alone will mean he has certain interests and behaviour. Most people on this board do not think this way.
The second, that female and male people are socialised differently due to their sex, which can result in them displaying certain behaviours. An example being a person who takes a dictatorial and patronising tone towards women on a discussion forum is suspected to be male as this is behaviour more commonly found in those with male socialisation.

It is not just about socialisation to norms though, for women it is also about safety. All women will have experienced sexual harassment before they leave school. A large number will have experienced sexual assault. Men commit 98% of sexual assaults. Men are bigger, stronger and have a penis to rape women with. So of course women react to that in their communication style. You just need to look at the reaction to the SC to see how men react when women say ‘no’ to them. The risk posed by men to women is universal across all cultures.

Ihavetoask · 04/09/2025 08:15

SouthWamses · 04/09/2025 08:03

What is it with transactivists and their genitals? Constantly inserting them into conversations….

Says the person attributing gender to someone based on their opinions.

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