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When did "deadnaming" become a thing?

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Charabanc · 30/08/2025 15:39

I've been pondering how it's become accepted that "deadnaming" someone is some kind of heinous crime, akin to literal genocide.

When did this come about? Was it via Stonewall? It's not a term I recall from years back, it seems quite recent.

Somehow they decided that it wasn't allowed, and all the DEI lot fell in with it. Like pronouns, I guess. I'm a bit fed up of having to follow their 'rules'.

(Thoughts inspired by SP's naming of Mr Weddell)

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ThatBlackCat · 18/12/2025 17:36

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:03

Trans people don’t believe people can change sex. They believe people can change gender

Wrong thread.

When did "deadnaming" become a thing?
FlirtsWithRhinos · 04/09/2025 03:22

Just don't deadname Gandalf the White.

(Probably best not to mention the Balrog in front of him either. Bit triggering.)

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 03/09/2025 23:46

lcakethereforeIam · 02/09/2025 19:19

Erm, akshually 🤓 Durin's Bane was the balrog. Probably couldn't get another acting job after the Fellowship and now spends its time titting around on MN.

Although 'none shall pass' has it's uses outside the LoTR.

Indeed, as I have already admitted, I was embarrassingly wrong. I blame encroaching senility.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 03/09/2025 23:45

Heggettypeg · 02/09/2025 21:04

You're right about the ring being a Bane, but it was Isildur's.

How very embarrassing. Durin's Bane was of course a Balrog. I should probably read the book again, it's some years since the last time. Thank you for correcting me.

I would not wish to accept the word of a Balrog.

DogFreeByChoice · 02/09/2025 21:10

ThatBlackCat · 02/09/2025 08:14

Some of them don't. However some trans people swear up and down that taking hormones changes their chemistry and they become female. Some are really that deluded. I've come across too many, especially on twitter, that genuinely believe taking HRT has changed their DNA. India Willoughby considers himself a "Biological Female", in fact, he even has it in his twitter bio that he a quote "Biological Female".

Wow - I was thinking the qualifier "biological" provided the appropriate level of objective, non value laden, clarity - but obviously not... Women without a Y chromosome is a bit cumbersome and a definition based on not having (XX works for 99.99% but women with Turner's Syndrom don't have a Y but a single X or partial deletion of the second X) ...

Heggettypeg · 02/09/2025 21:04

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 02/09/2025 18:35

This sweet summer child is Durin's Bane, the "one ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind them".

You're right about the ring being a Bane, but it was Isildur's.

lcakethereforeIam · 02/09/2025 19:48

I'm imagining something like this, assuming MN permits

When did "deadnaming" become a thing?
lcakethereforeIam · 02/09/2025 19:19

Erm, akshually 🤓 Durin's Bane was the balrog. Probably couldn't get another acting job after the Fellowship and now spends its time titting around on MN.

Although 'none shall pass' has it's uses outside the LoTR.

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RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 02/09/2025 18:35

Charabanc · 02/09/2025 14:53

Oh you sweet summer chile. You have a lot to learn.

This sweet summer child is Durin's Bane, the "one ring to rule them all and in the darkness bind them".

PestoHoliday · 02/09/2025 17:39

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:03

Trans people don’t believe people can change sex. They believe people can change gender

Hahahahahahahaha

I'm sorry, my dear, the deranged TRA lunatics like Willoughby and Upton do claim they are actually biologically female. That they changed sex and in the case of Willoughby, that he has grown a cervix.

I wish they were like the nice sane trans identifying people of ages past but nope, lots now claim under oath that they have changed sex.

Reality is a transphobic according to the outer edges of trans activism.

Charabanc · 02/09/2025 14:53

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:03

Trans people don’t believe people can change sex. They believe people can change gender

Oh you sweet summer chile. You have a lot to learn.

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Waitwhat23 · 02/09/2025 13:17

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:03

Trans people don’t believe people can change sex. They believe people can change gender

Erm...

And India threatened to show off the cervix he claims to have miraculously grown. On live tv.

And as pp's have said, why is there such footstamping about the clarification around single sex services if its about gender?

When did "deadnaming" become a thing?
GleisZwei · 02/09/2025 08:39

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:00

How do you know it technically is? I would assume it has been changed legally, so there would be no technically at all about it still being Ellen

Humans cannot change sex. HTH

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 08:26

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:03

Trans people don’t believe people can change sex. They believe people can change gender

So why do they demand access to single ‘sex’ provisions?

ThatBlackCat · 02/09/2025 08:14

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:03

Trans people don’t believe people can change sex. They believe people can change gender

Some of them don't. However some trans people swear up and down that taking hormones changes their chemistry and they become female. Some are really that deluded. I've come across too many, especially on twitter, that genuinely believe taking HRT has changed their DNA. India Willoughby considers himself a "Biological Female", in fact, he even has it in his twitter bio that he a quote "Biological Female".

FlirtsWithRhinos · 02/09/2025 08:11

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:03

Trans people don’t believe people can change sex. They believe people can change gender

So why does trans women's change in "gender" mean female people aren't allowed to have their own rights, protections, spaces and opportunities bases on their sex without including trans "women"?

NotBadConsidering · 02/09/2025 08:04

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:03

Trans people don’t believe people can change sex. They believe people can change gender

Oh yes they do. They say sex can change all the time.

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:03

Charabanc · 01/09/2025 09:30

I'm living my authentic life as a person who does not believe that people can change sex, and that there are only two sexes. I must be allowed to express my truth.

Trans people don’t believe people can change sex. They believe people can change gender

DurinsBane · 02/09/2025 08:00

GleisZwei · 30/08/2025 19:06

She was Ellen at the time, and still technically is.

How do you know it technically is? I would assume it has been changed legally, so there would be no technically at all about it still being Ellen

Helleofabore · 02/09/2025 07:57

DeanElderberry · 02/09/2025 06:26

Is Bruce's deadname Jeffrey?

I KNEW Bruce reminded me of someone! You are so right!

DeanElderberry · 02/09/2025 06:26

Helleofabore · 01/09/2025 09:53

🦈

Bruce is your friend. He won’t view you as food.

Is Bruce's deadname Jeffrey?

ThatBlackCat · 02/09/2025 05:19

GC's claim trans woman are a risk to women therefore it's up to them to provide the evidence.

The evidence has been provided on this thread. Over and over and over again.

Also the fact transwomen are MALE. Therefore an automatic risk to females, based on that alone.

Heggettypeg · 01/09/2025 14:40

FlirtsWithRhinos · 01/09/2025 12:54

Of course, the only reason "dead names", pronouns etc are an issue in the first place is because of the weird Genderist insistence that the language originally used for sex has to be now used for gender even though sex and gender are manfestly and obviously different things.

Just imagine if trans activists had truly had the courage of their convictions and invented a new language for this-thing-that-is-not-sex instead of appropriating language and names that had existing established meanings in society, law and culture!

No stupid toilet threads because there'd be no confusion or misrepresentation about what is meant by "man" or "woman"!

No stupid pronoun arguments. No trans people feeling hurt and unseen because of other people's use of sex-based language.

No women faced with the impossible choice of respecting trans people's identty but in doing do accepting for themselves a version of "womahood" that in reality is nothing to do with their lives as female people, or being true to their own self-knowledge but hurting trans feelings.

No male (original sex based meaning) people in women's sports or taking the opportunities intended to help women rise above the contraints of a culturally and structurally sexist society simply because of a coincidence of name.

What a wonderful, freeing world that would have been for all of us. What a goddamn shame so much energy has gone into doing the exact opposite.

This. It was so unnecessary.

Charabanc · 01/09/2025 13:38

I value the rigorous data that PPs are providing to the few who have made this thread highly tedious.

I'm off to start a new one!

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Helleofabore · 01/09/2025 13:32

For anyone who wants to know what should be considered for evaluating risk of this sub group of males to show that they have a risk level not less than any other male in the UK of committing sex crime, have a read through the statistics for males who have transgender identities who commit sex crimes in the UK. There is nothing in these statistics that show that this group have a risk profile that is the same as female people or lower than female people in the general female population of the UK.

Most posters on FWR know these statistics.

Firstly, This was a question answered earlier this year:

https://questions-statements.parliament.uk/written-questions/detail/2024-12-16/20298.

Question from Rebecca Paul (MP Reigate): To ask the Secretary of State for Justice, with reference to the HMPPS Offender Equalities Annual Report 2023-2024, published on 28 November 2024, how many of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female were convicted of a sexual offence.

Answer from Sir Richard Dakin (MP Scunthorpe): 23 December 2024
Of the 245 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as male (i.e. those who now identify as women, non-binary or gender-fluid) on 31 March 2024, 151 were convicted of a sexual offence. This includes both contact and non-contact sexual offences. Offence data was not available for 1 individual.

Of the 50 transgender prisoners who reported their legal gender as female on 31 March 2024, the number convicted of a sexual offence is five or fewer. We do not provide exact data for such small sample sizes as it risks identification of individuals. This approach is in line with our standards on data disclosure.

To put this into perspective with what we already knew from FOI information. I posted the information to a regular poster from FWR on another thread, who did not acknowledge the information at all, so it seems sticking the info here is appropriate:

Here is data from the MoJ

Here is an FOI request from 30 April 2024

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/populationoftransgenderoffend/response/2641337/attach/html/7/FOI%20240322022%20Annex%20A.xlsx.html
Up to the 31st March 2023, the MoJ stated that of the 88 male transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.
The breakdown was
48 rapes,
0 attempted rapes,
10 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
13 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
0 indecent assault or gross indecency
6 sexual activity with a child under 16
0 other

77 listed here.... BUT there is a total of 88 in the total so there is 11 crimes not noted.

Possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child has not been recorded in this FOI.

However, there is are further discrepancies in the data of the following when you look at TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE.
1 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity
3 rapes
2 sexual activity with a child under 16
3 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
This equals 9 additional... however the sum for TOTAL NUMBER OF TRANSGENDER PRISONERS SENTENCED FOR A PRINCIPAL SEXUAL OFFENCE is 99.
Therefore 2 more sex crimes have been hidden from this data.

There were 203 males who were declared as transgender in the prison at the time.

There were 24 NB who were not segregated into male and female. What is key here, is that THIS IS NON-GRC HOLDERS. And we all know that males holding GRCs have increased and they are excluded from this data. NO female people with transgender identities were sentenced to a principal sexual offence. There were 41 female people with transgender identities in UK prisons at that time.

As a comparison, I have stats that say as of April 2019 that the general male MoJ data for male sex offenders was just 16.8% of the male prison population.

And there were 3.3% of female people in UK prisons were sex offenders.

I will leave you to do your own sums. But... even using the figure of 88/203 is 43.3%. (And that doesn't include making or possessing indecent photographs of a child remember.)

By the way this exercise was done in 2021. And I checked this data myself from the data source and it was correct at the time. So, it will give some back ground to the above.

The ones that say that in the March/April 2021 data collection period, the MoJ stated that of the 97 transgender prisoners with one or more sexual offences.
The breakdown was

40 rapes,
8 attempted rapes,
31 possessing or making indecent photographs or pseudo photographs of child,
32 Sexual assault or attempted sexual assault,
20 causing or inciting a child under 16 to engage in sexual activity,
10 indecent assault or gross indecency
9 sexual activity with a child under 16
27 other

The 97 sex offender transgender prisons collected 177 sentences between them.

And that according to that FOI 197 prisoners are transgender.

The data remains consistently high for this demographic of UK prisoners.

This is why NO SUB GROUP OF MALE PEOPLE SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM RISK ASSESSMENT. This group of male people still retain the same male pattern of committing sex and violent crime.

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