Page 12 | GLP are going after Sarah Philmore and are going to lose

fromorbit · 2025-08-28T08:10:27+00:00

Get the popcorn folks. GLP is getting ready to lose again. They are going after barrister Sarah Phillimore for referring to a man as a man. They think they are going to lawfare her into silence. Her blog: *Here we are now: Entertain us* ^I have had now 7 years and counting of the various tactics used to 'silence' those who won't comply with prevailing orthodoxy. How are those tactics holding up?^ [[https://sarahphillimore.substack.com/p/here-we-are-now-entertain-us https://sarahphillimore.substack.com/p/here-we-are-now-entertain-us?]] The only thing is other TAs have already tried this on Phillimore multiple times. They went to the Bar Council their claims were dismissed. They all failed. More to the point this ^‘Kate’ ^ is the same guy complaining again who already failed. Sarah Phillimore knows the law and likes explaining it to TAs and making them lose. So she doesn't even resent the attempt. As Sarah has stated ^"They pick on someone who not only enjoys this but has now a vast repository of knowledge about the law in this area."^ *Sarah Phillimore* ^Because I don’t tweet as a public body, an employer or provider of goods or services. I am not subject to the Equality Act. I tweet as a private individual and I will say again. You can’t change sex. A man cannot be a woman. I cannot be compelled to call a man a woman. ^ ^A trans identifying man such as ‘Kate’ who frequently takes to the public stage to urge violence against women and declare his intent to enter women’s spaces, is a dangerous man and one who will attract public comment.^ Follow the fun on X [[https://x.com/SVPhillimore https://x.com/SVPhillimore]]

NoWordForFluffy · 28/12/2025 12:30

Charabanc · 28/12/2025 12:21

This is what we're dealing with. Posted on trans Reddit yesterday, on a thread moaning about the BBC:

Before I transitioned, I'd be happy to say I was biologically male. But your genes only determine which genitals you have, it's then your genitals that produce hormones that determine the growth of the cells of your body, as either male or female. After 15 years of HRT I have fewer male cells in my body than any cis woman who gave birth to a male child. Don't try and tell me I'm biologically male now. It's ridiculous. I transitioned late in life, so if you absolutely must I'd kind of accept skeletally male, except my skeleton is maintained so badly by my female body that I have brittle bones. I'm post op, so I don't even have the genitals that could produce those male hormones. How am I biologically male? What you are, Mister BBC, is biologically ignorant.

Just totally, totally batshit.

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Charabanc · 28/12/2025 12:21

MarieDeGournay · 28/12/2025 11:44

I agree.

It seems to me that saying 'I know I'm not changing sex, I'm just changing my gender' should be met with a shrug and an 'OK then', not massive legislative and societal upheaval.

Although in everyday language 'sex' and 'gender' often refer to the same thing, legal language is different and should be as precise and unambiguous as possible - the GRAs in both the UK and Ireland are both quite unclear and waffly as to what they mean by 'gender'.

But if we take this as a reasonable definition:

Defined difference between men and women based on culturally and socially constructed mores, politics, and affairs. Time and location give rise to a variety of local definitions. Contrasts to what is defined as the biological sex of a living creature. The Law Dictionary
GENDER

it follows that a trans-gender person can play around with the 'culturally and socially constructed mores' associated with people of their biological sex
[a] without changing, or claiming to change, their biological sex and
[b] without it being a matter for legislation.

A law that says that a man who challenges the 'culturally and socially constructed mores' associated with being biologically male - i.e. gender not sex, - is legally a woman is...
words fail me, maybe it's too early on a Sunday morning and I need another cuppa to understand it.
I think I'm right in saying that the law aspires to clarity, to the avoidance of ambiguity. Life being what it is, there will always be times when absolute clarity is impossible, that's accepted.

But to actually write an ambiguity, i.e. is it 'sex' or is it 'gender', into a legislation seems perverse.

Off to have another or three. Maybe it's because IANAL, but I just can't understand how it made sense to legislators and lawyers to actually introduce a lack of legal clarity by produce something so waffly, ambiguous and socially damaging😠

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This is what we're dealing with. Posted on trans Reddit yesterday, on a thread moaning about the BBC:

Before I transitioned, I'd be happy to say I was biologically male. But your genes only determine which genitals you have, it's then your genitals that produce hormones that determine the growth of the cells of your body, as either male or female. After 15 years of HRT I have fewer male cells in my body than any cis woman who gave birth to a male child. Don't try and tell me I'm biologically male now. It's ridiculous. I transitioned late in life, so if you absolutely must I'd kind of accept skeletally male, except my skeleton is maintained so badly by my female body that I have brittle bones. I'm post op, so I don't even have the genitals that could produce those male hormones. How am I biologically male? What you are, Mister BBC, is biologically ignorant.

Just totally, totally batshit.

ArabellaScott · 28/12/2025 12:09

I had a look at Maugham' Bluesky. He posts A LOT.

And especally got angry about Alice Sullivan.

12 posts in three days, absolutely furious. He doesn't like women speaking.

I got bored before I found posts about the castration film.

Merrymouse · 28/12/2025 11:59

MarieDeGournay · 28/12/2025 11:44

I agree.

It seems to me that saying 'I know I'm not changing sex, I'm just changing my gender' should be met with a shrug and an 'OK then', not massive legislative and societal upheaval.

Although in everyday language 'sex' and 'gender' often refer to the same thing, legal language is different and should be as precise and unambiguous as possible - the GRAs in both the UK and Ireland are both quite unclear and waffly as to what they mean by 'gender'.

But if we take this as a reasonable definition:

Defined difference between men and women based on culturally and socially constructed mores, politics, and affairs. Time and location give rise to a variety of local definitions. Contrasts to what is defined as the biological sex of a living creature. The Law Dictionary
GENDER

it follows that a trans-gender person can play around with the 'culturally and socially constructed mores' associated with people of their biological sex
[a] without changing, or claiming to change, their biological sex and
[b] without it being a matter for legislation.

A law that says that a man who challenges the 'culturally and socially constructed mores' associated with being biologically male - i.e. gender not sex, - is legally a woman is...
words fail me, maybe it's too early on a Sunday morning and I need another cuppa to understand it.
I think I'm right in saying that the law aspires to clarity, to the avoidance of ambiguity. Life being what it is, there will always be times when absolute clarity is impossible, that's accepted.

But to actually write an ambiguity, i.e. is it 'sex' or is it 'gender', into a legislation seems perverse.

Off to have another or three. Maybe it's because IANAL, but I just can't understand how it made sense to legislators and lawyers to actually introduce a lack of legal clarity by produce something so waffly, ambiguous and socially damaging😠

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but I just can't understand how it made sense to legislators and lawyers to actually introduce a lack of legal clarity by produce something so waffly, ambiguous and socially damaging

Because those poor brave men actually cutting off their bits! Goodness knows why they do it, but for a man to do something so horrific, well it must mean something serious, and it is the natural role of women to be sympathetic. If we just pass the legislation, we won't have to discuss it again.

Is what I imagine they thought.

I can even imagine it all in an episode of Yes Minister.

NoWordForFluffy · 28/12/2025 11:53

Maybe it's because IANAL, but I just can't understand how it made sense to legislators and lawyers to actually introduce a lack of legal clarity by produce something so waffly, ambiguous and socially damaging.

Soooo much legislation is appallingly-drafted. It's something you discuss at law school, as it's a feature not a bug. God knows who teaches those drafting it how to draft.

ArabellaScott · 28/12/2025 11:49

DrBlackbird · 28/12/2025 09:33

Catching up with the thread… maybe Sammybabes is the fox botherer’s wife? Though that film 😳😱 Cannot believe anyone happy to watch it is of sound mind or body. Bizarre that the FB would post about seeing it.

He is a worrying example of how autistic individuals are so suggestible to strong messaging (indoctrination) at any age and despite having an education that, seemingly, ought to be a guardrail against this happening.

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Did Maugham post about it, or was it someone else's post?

I think that film may be usefully instructive for all the 'protect the vulnerable marginalised dolls' types. So I hope it's widely viewed.

MarieDeGournay · 28/12/2025 11:44

DrBlackbird · 28/12/2025 09:13

Apart from the inevitable outliers - there are people who claim that the earth is flat - that is a settled scientific fact.
There is no spectrum, there is no way to swap around from one sex to the others, the biological fact of being male or female is coded into your body, and you remain in the sex you were born into, full stop.

@MarieDeGournay my impression from younger adults is that they do not try to argue that people can actually change sex.

The belief is that gender is as or more important than sex. It rests on the erroneous premise that if someone identifies as the opposite gender and is denied hormones or surgery, or is just denied being treated as the opposite sex, that this will result in a high chance of suicide / suicidal ideation.

And when you’re young and sympathetic, you go along with that threat of suicide. Transgenderism myths have so utterly saturated the internet, schools, healthcare, government messaging - along with living your life online - that it’s a wonder there are any young people at all who see it with clear eyes.

I agree.

It seems to me that saying 'I know I'm not changing sex, I'm just changing my gender' should be met with a shrug and an 'OK then', not massive legislative and societal upheaval.

Although in everyday language 'sex' and 'gender' often refer to the same thing, legal language is different and should be as precise and unambiguous as possible - the GRAs in both the UK and Ireland are both quite unclear and waffly as to what they mean by 'gender'.

But if we take this as a reasonable definition:

Defined difference between men and women based on culturally and socially constructed mores, politics, and affairs. Time and location give rise to a variety of local definitions. Contrasts to what is defined as the biological sex of a living creature. The Law Dictionary
GENDER

it follows that a trans-gender person can play around with the 'culturally and socially constructed mores' associated with people of their biological sex
[a] without changing, or claiming to change, their biological sex and
[b] without it being a matter for legislation.

A law that says that a man who challenges the 'culturally and socially constructed mores' associated with being biologically male - i.e. gender not sex, - is legally a woman is...
words fail me, maybe it's too early on a Sunday morning and I need another cuppa to understand it.
I think I'm right in saying that the law aspires to clarity, to the avoidance of ambiguity. Life being what it is, there will always be times when absolute clarity is impossible, that's accepted.

But to actually write an ambiguity, i.e. is it 'sex' or is it 'gender', into a legislation seems perverse.

Off to have another or three. Maybe it's because IANAL, but I just can't understand how it made sense to legislators and lawyers to actually introduce a lack of legal clarity by produce something so waffly, ambiguous and socially damaging😠

DrBlackbird · 28/12/2025 09:38

Helleofabore · 28/12/2025 09:23

“And when you’re young and sympathetic, you go along with that threat of suicide.”

Yes. It took me a long time to understand the coercion of suicide threats. Decades.

Same. And many more years of letting go of my #bekind gender conditioning and recognising that as another form of oh so subtle coercion.

DrBlackbird · 28/12/2025 09:33

JanesLittleGirl · 27/12/2025 18:29

Sammybabes swims with the fishes.

Catching up with the thread… maybe Sammybabes is the fox botherer’s wife? Though that film 😳😱 Cannot believe anyone happy to watch it is of sound mind or body. Bizarre that the FB would post about seeing it.

He is a worrying example of how autistic individuals are so suggestible to strong messaging (indoctrination) at any age and despite having an education that, seemingly, ought to be a guardrail against this happening.

Helleofabore · 28/12/2025 09:23

“And when you’re young and sympathetic, you go along with that threat of suicide.”

Yes. It took me a long time to understand the coercion of suicide threats. Decades.

DrBlackbird · 28/12/2025 09:13

Apart from the inevitable outliers - there are people who claim that the earth is flat - that is a settled scientific fact.
There is no spectrum, there is no way to swap around from one sex to the others, the biological fact of being male or female is coded into your body, and you remain in the sex you were born into, full stop.

@MarieDeGournay my impression from younger adults is that they do not try to argue that people can actually change sex.

The belief is that gender is as or more important than sex. It rests on the erroneous premise that if someone identifies as the opposite gender and is denied hormones or surgery, or is just denied being treated as the opposite sex, that this will result in a high chance of suicide / suicidal ideation.

And when you’re young and sympathetic, you go along with that threat of suicide. Transgenderism myths have so utterly saturated the internet, schools, healthcare, government messaging - along with living your life online - that it’s a wonder there are any young people at all who see it with clear eyes.

SinnerBoy · 28/12/2025 00:54

Sammybabes16 · 27/12/2025 00:04

Murasaki- what I do know is that if you think that most women support TERFs - they do not. If you think trans women or men in dresses calling themselves women are the real danger to women you seriously need your head examined.

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😂😂😃

TWETMIRF · 27/12/2025 20:12

Changed the WiFi password

SabrinaThwaite · 27/12/2025 18:29

ArabellaScott · 27/12/2025 17:54

MN told me they are dealing with that poster 'off the boards'.

I'm not quite sure what that means, but they sounded quite firm.

Straight to bed with no tea?

JanesLittleGirl · 27/12/2025 18:29

Sammybabes swims with the fishes.

Mercatorgater · 27/12/2025 18:23

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 27/12/2025 18:07

'off the boards'

I would love to know what that means!

They threw him in the harbour.

With concrete galoshes on.

KnottyAuty · 27/12/2025 18:08

ArabellaScott · 27/12/2025 17:54

MN told me they are dealing with that poster 'off the boards'.

I'm not quite sure what that means, but they sounded quite firm.

🤣

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 27/12/2025 18:07

'off the boards'

I would love to know what that means!

NotAtMyAge · 27/12/2025 17:55

Sammybabes16 · 27/12/2025 01:07

RapidOnsetGenderCritic-

im sorry to hear this but trans people do exist as do hence fluid individuals. My husband is gender fluid and I also have a cousin who is trans.

I empathise with your situation as it cannot be easy for either of you. But please try to understand things from his perspective. It must be even harder for him. I am not sure how old he is but at least allow him to dress and express himself as he wishes not doing so will just lead to further tensions and affect him.

hormones are a different matter but at 18 he will be an adult. Please try to understand and support him.

Our friend Sammybabes claims to have a genderfluid husband and a trans cousin. Either telling the truth here and therefore a full-blown TRA or handmaiden, or a fantasising teenager. Either way, not worth arguing with any further.

ArabellaScott · 27/12/2025 17:54

MN told me they are dealing with that poster 'off the boards'.

I'm not quite sure what that means, but they sounded quite firm.

Vegemiteandhoneyontoast · 27/12/2025 17:43

Does HQ moderate the user or the IP address?

I was imagining that if his mum uses mumsnet and suddenly finds herself banned, she'd likely be unimpressed if the cause was her child.

Datun · 27/12/2025 17:32

It seems to be a universal truth that the men who hate women the most are those who profess to wanting to be one.

Still, at least it looks like HQ have moderated his arse out the door.

teawamutu · 27/12/2025 14:17

TWETMIRF · 27/12/2025 13:56

The same way transwomen are experts on women despite not being women?

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Dunno what you're talking about, we never see men mansplaining feminism to us. 😁

GLP are going after Sarah Philmore and are going to lose

moto748e · 27/12/2025 14:00

TWETMIRF · 27/12/2025 13:56

The same way transwomen are experts on women despite not being women?

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Ba-doom, tish!

TWETMIRF · 27/12/2025 13:56

Sammybabes16 · 27/12/2025 10:16

KitWyn-

thank you for your TERF opinion.

its remarkable how TERFs are so called self proclaimed experts on anything trans- even though they aren’t trans themselves 😂🤡

The same way transwomen are experts on women despite not being women?