Minneapolis school shooter

Yup, just read a bit of a jarring article on Stuff NZ that kept referring to the shooter by his surname, until finally they/themming them towards the end.

You’re right it is not acceptable to target hyperbolic hatred on all trans people because of the actions of one trans person.

However, media coverage of the incident strenuously trying to cover up the fact that he was trans is also unacceptable. And it is a reasonable line of enquiry to wonder whether there was a connection between his genderist beliefs and his actions against a Church school, not least since there have been other incidents with similarities, as PP posted.

Anyone who thinks it is acceptable to shoot primary school children is seriously deluded. And trying to understand what leads people to do this necessitates examining their state of mind and beliefs, to try to prevent further such attacks. Their transness needs to be considered relevant to that examination, just as any other religious or political belief system or health condition would be.

We don’t know the whole story yet, but it seems that while the mother worked at the school, she actually seemed to affirm her son’s identity and used a female name for him.

This is at least the second time that a transgender shooter targeted Christian schoolkids in the USA. Someone upthread shared more cases in public schools.

Perhaps declaring transgenderism as a mental illness will be helpful—it will at least make it harder for them to buy a firearm. Hasn’t it been shown that transgenderism is related to other kinds of mental illnesses?

From what I can glean it sounds like there was a lack of acceptance from the prescribed religion of the family and potentially the mother. Very, very difficult. They seemed really intentional on wanting to target kids and not the adults though which would make me wonder about bullying.

I’ve literally just come here to post about this. Why are the pronouns ‘her’ in the recent U.K. editorial I just read when the American police officer talking directly to the press are using ‘he’ throughout. Whose guidelines are we adhering to exactly?

If you read some of the hyperbolic messages aimed at that group as a whole because of the actions of one, you’d see why. This thread is illustrative, and it’s minor. See ZenNudist’s “So confused why trans lunatics are targeting churches/Christians”. One did. One. And it may have nothing to do with gender - certainly, there was much other political nonsense in the manifesto and on the gun/s.

I’m in the U.S. and am SPITTING mad at the Minneapolis mayor, Frey, who seemed to be more upset that trans people’s feelings were being hurt than that there are DEAD CHILDREN.

I'm Catholic and am so sad to hear of a lovely start of term Mass targeted in this horrific manner. So confused why trans lunatics targeting churches/Christians.

Thanks @MarieDeGournay I'm not Catholic. The view on gender transition has shifted as I understand it but remains firmly opposed opposed to any suggestions you can pick and choose your sex.

As we know, some TRAs have a tendency towards threats of violence towards those who who disagree with them and their ideology - however respectfully. I could certainly see that as a motive/and or they read or viewed that.

The FBI is has stated that they are investigating it as terrorism and a hate crime. I imagine that would be more of a focus if it was from a Muslim shooter, somehow, than a trans one...

Well, you can’t trust the BBC with anything sex-related!! They are completely captured.

No it doesn’t. The BBC refers to the shooter’s name. Uses no pronouns at all.

The Mayor of Minneapolis knows who the real victims are: https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1960797912960549031

The Catholic church has been unwaveringly anti-gender ideology, unlike some other churches.

The Vatican's 2024 declaration Dignitas Infinita specifically rejected gender ideology and transgenderism:
the body participates in that dignity as it is endowed with personal meanings, particularly in its sexed condition....we are called to protect our humanity, and this means, in the first place, accepting it and respecting it as it was created.*

It places transgenderism in the same philosophical category as what it sees as other 'assaults on the dignity of the individual human being from the moment of conception' - including familiar issues like abortion, suicide and euthanasia, but also human trafficking, sexual abuse, violence against women, and surrogacy.

So that would make Catholic institutions, like this school, an clear target for violent TRAs.

*NB I'm quoting this, not approving it!

The BBC News at 10 report referred to the ‘gunman’ and ‘he’ all the way through. If I hadn’t known about the trans element from another news source I wouldn’t have got it from the BBC. It makes me so irritated because I really want to be able to trust the BBC, with everything else on the internet being so unreliable now.

yes you make some good points, I just wanted to include it in the conversation.

Yeah you are right. A bit overwhelmend right now.
If it makes you happy HE is at the centre of tHEy which seems very appropriate because the HEs always put themselves in the centre of things.

Yes, I read 'he' on the BBC earlier too. That's what their attention is on: editing pronouns. Poor children.

The BBC website call him the suspect, the attacker, the writer…. and do not mention pronouns at all. Obviously deliberate. Piss poor reporting.

@lechiffre55 why do you say they? It was a he. A man went into a school & murdered children, he did it.

It's a mental health crisis. But it won't be mentioned or dissected by the likes of the BBC. It's why I think some of these mentally unwell people should be referred to Prevent in the UK. But we all know they won't be.

To be fair there's all sorts of stuff written by this lunatic to the point that I think it can only be interpreted as their mental state being a complete mess.
Yes what you quoted is very anti-semitic, but I could easily believe they were just spouting "current left wing thing" without knowing anything about it. Garbage in, garbage out.
For example one of the things they wrote was a Douglas Adams quote from The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy series. "so long and thanks for all the fish".
I don't know how that could possibly be taken as being related to murdering people, but it got quoted. There seems to be a lot of young people memes in what they wrote.
I don't want to dismiss or excuse the anti-semitism, but when you look at the wider picture I think this idiot had a lot of serious mental issues. They needed professional help not affirmation.
No one who has written a manifesto, or has a favourite school shooting, should be considered of sound mind. They should be supervised at all times, even when they are eating ice cream and making happy noises.

Other messages he had written on the guns:

• "Israel must fall,"
• "Burn Israel"
• "6 million wasn't enough."
• "Destroy HIAS (originally a Jewish resettlement org for refugees)
• "Mashallah" (God's will in Arabic)

'Attacker' gender 😠