Page 4 | Is it true KJK has been no-platformed by FiLia?

IwantToRetire · 2025-08-27T17:27:47+00:00

Seen this on a number of threads on facebook, and wondered if it was true?

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 20:15

ParmaVioletTea · 31/08/2025 19:52

Yes, of course I meant women! Try not to make a dispute where there is none. (Although I’d want to make a teeny tiny exception for John Stuart Mill, who wrote Subjection of women with Harriet Taylor).

You say of course you mean women, and I have no reason to doubt you. But there are a lot of people out there, including transactivists, who either include men who identify as women or say feminism is about everybody. So I think it is important to be clear.

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IwantToRetire · 31/08/2025 20:06

ParmaVioletTea · 31/08/2025 19:58

what became the Women's Aid movement was largely started by working class and Black Women based on concepts of mutual aid.

But in my experience of the 1970s at least, I think most of these women would be loosely aligned with the left, loosely. Every time I’ve met Pragna Patel, for example, she’s clearly aligned to the left in her use of feminist left- inflected ideas and approaches.

Pragna Patel was always part of the left, and the left, and judging by her speech at the WPUK conference has little idea of what the Women's Liberation Movement was about.

Which isn't to say women who base the work they do on left politics are wrong but it has nothing to do with what actual happened in the 70s where women didnot and had no interest in being left or right.

The whole purpose of the WLM was on a mass movement based on local grass roots women's groups who dispite differences of race, class, religion through consciousness raising found the issues that they had common cause with each other.

That is why it was so powerful.

Because whatever each group chose to do was based on the lived experience of those women, and because the group was based on a local area meant they could more effectively address local issues that impact on women, eg cutting funding to a women's service.

This didn't meant there wasn't also a place from groups where women throught the shared reality of being lesbian, or Black, didn't also have an important organising function.

But in each instance it was based on the reality of those women's lives.

Not trying to fit those experiences into some patriarchal notion of how politics should be done.

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ParmaVioletTea · 31/08/2025 19:58

what became the Women's Aid movement was largely started by working class and Black Women based on concepts of mutual aid.

But in my experience of the 1970s at least, I think most of these women would be loosely aligned with the left, loosely. Every time I’ve met Pragna Patel, for example, she’s clearly aligned to the left in her use of feminist left- inflected ideas and approaches.

ParmaVioletTea · 31/08/2025 19:52

Yes, of course I meant women! Try not to make a dispute where there is none. (Although I’d want to make a teeny tiny exception for John Stuart Mill, who wrote Subjection of women with Harriet Taylor).

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IwantToRetire · 31/08/2025 19:52

FiLIA is a grass roots, broad church movement. British feminism has its roots in the Left ( you only need to read feminist publications from the 60s and 70s to see that) so it’s logical that most feminist organisations will be more aligned to the left, however loosely.

What you call "British Feminism" was the Women's Liberation Movement.

And its roots if any were in the counter culture, alternative politics.

It was only once it became such a large grass roots movement that the left attempted to move in and "organise" women, Heaven forbid that the ordinary women in the street might be just a politically astute as the hand maidens of the left. eg what became the Women's Aid movement was largely started by working class and Black Women based on concepts of mutual aid.

The "left" has through academics etc., presumed to say what feminism is, but as so many threads on FWR show, most women are non aligned.

And of course the Guardian.

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SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 19:48

Feminism is a very broad grass roots movement - there’s room for everyone.

Not true. Feminism is for women.

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IwantToRetire · 31/08/2025 19:47

Feminism is a very broad grass roots movement - there’s room for everyone.

Exactly - why would a group that is basically an events organiser presume to say which women are fit to speak and which aren't?

Why would they no platform a well known activist?

They make themselves look polically dumb.

I think what is more disturbing is those who accept their event organiser telling them who they can and cant hear.

But shows why groups like WDI need to exist.

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SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 19:46

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 18:15

I think you mean SFW not FWS, but anyway, AliasGrace47's question was whether Neo Nazis were turning up to SFW events, and they definitely were at one of her events in Australia, doing a Nazi salute and with a banner saying something about "paedo freaks".

AliasGrace didn't ask if KJK invited them, she asked if they were there, and they were.

Other people from the far right turn up at her events over here, repeatedly.

KJK makes it very clear, every time she's criticised for not keeping the far right out of her events, that "everybody" is welcome, so even if she's not specifically inviting them, she's giving them the green light to attend by refusing to tell them they're not welcome.

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Neo-Nazis didn’t turn up at the LWS event, the event was on the Parliament steps and the neo-Nazis were holding a protest there - it being Parliament. They weren’t at the LWS event. The lack of any association between the neo Nazi protest and the LWS was firmly established by the court to the extent that it cost John Pesutto millions of pounds in libel damages.

There were also transactivists there - why are you not associating the neonazis with the transactivists?

ParmaVioletTea · 31/08/2025 19:36

FiLIA is a grass roots, broad church movement. British feminism has its roots in the Left ( you only need to read feminist publications from the 60s and 70s to see that) so it’s logical that most feminist organisations will be more aligned to the left, however loosely.

KJK spoke at the WDI conference last year, on the same day as Shelia and Julia Long.

I think some people are far too quick to see conspiracies and hierarchies, where there are none, then resent them.

I’m getting pretty sick of the term “head girl” being bandied about to undercut any woman who speaks up and says stuff other women don’t agree with.

I say, kudos to any woman who publishes, or speaks publicly - good for her, even if I don’t agree with her. Being present and visible in public is important for the cause.

Feminism is a very broad grass roots movement - there’s room for everyone.

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IwantToRetire · 31/08/2025 19:02

Sorry if any one found my post trying to clarify confusing.

It covers different things.

First one that (as yet) the only women no platformed at this year's FiLia is Julia Beck.

I don't know who Claire is, but I suspect this has much more to do with those who are part of or aligned to Actual Gender Critical Left who have been obsessively attacking any of the women who attended the meeting (years ago now) where feminists were on the same stage as the Heritage Foundation. (There will be threads on here) It was a very divisive issue and for instance some have changed their position eg Jean Hatchette (spelling?) who flounced off FWR etc., for being tricked into working with a right wing group, but has now taken a different line. (Currently being attacked for not taking the left view about asylum seeker demos, but thinking about the women.)

In the past other women have been no platformed eg a certain lesbian known for sitting on chairs who set up a stall outside the London event.

And also Sheila Jeffreys on another occasion.

So partly the WDI event is a dig at FiLia "excluded" but not silenced.

My only hope about AGCL infiltration of FiLia (which has being going on for a few years) is that it will in the end have the same negative impact as when they tried to take over WPUK. The final post on WPUK's facebook page by a member of AGCL got such negative response which is why some started to say WPUK stopped because its followers weren't automicallly toeing the "left" line.

I think it illustrates FiLia's political naivety that they seem happy to be used in this way, or maybe that as it is primarily a consumer event they just go with whatever seems to be the feminist flavour of the month.

Luckily for them a lot of women, who have committed feminist views, aren't as obsessed with grand standing, and will turn up for the opportunity to meet up with others.

But imagine the impact, and show of solidarity, if all those who say they want to got to FiLia took a public stand against their small minded purity spiral of no platforming a well know, lesbian feminist, activist.

I dont personally know Julia Beck or even follow her on facebook, but apart from her origianl statement, (facebook link in previous post) she has now written a second statement.

It would nice to think she could just shrug it off, but is basically thinking she has to justify her whole life time of feminist activism, just because a small group of petty minded leftist wont give up on their vendetta and FiLia's any way the wind blows politics have given them more power than they deserve.

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AliasGrace47 · 31/08/2025 18:38

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 18:15

I think you mean SFW not FWS, but anyway, AliasGrace47's question was whether Neo Nazis were turning up to SFW events, and they definitely were at one of her events in Australia, doing a Nazi salute and with a banner saying something about "paedo freaks".

AliasGrace didn't ask if KJK invited them, she asked if they were there, and they were.

Other people from the far right turn up at her events over here, repeatedly.

KJK makes it very clear, every time she's criticised for not keeping the far right out of her events, that "everybody" is welcome, so even if she's not specifically inviting them, she's giving them the green light to attend by refusing to tell them they're not welcome.

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Thank you, that's what I thought.

I have more thoughts on this which I will post later.

For now, I'll just say that KJK risked her life for this, she is unquestionably heroic. But someone's heroism should never mean they are placed above criticism.

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 18:22

JumpingPumpkin · 31/08/2025 18:02

I’m not sure she does. Not on YouTube and I have seen her complaining that X wasn’t allowing her to be monetised either, though not sure of current situation.

She raises money for her campaigns by selling merch.

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Even if she has now been demonitised across all platforms, it's still promotion of her "brand".

She makes money from donations via social media as well as merch. Even if you're demonised on YouTube for example, you can still collect donations when you do live streams.

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 18:15

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 17:47

The claim that Neo-Nazis were linked to FWS cost Australian politician John Pesutto over 2.3 Australian dollars and nearly made him bankrupt following a libel trial.

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I think you mean SFW not FWS, but anyway, AliasGrace47's question was whether Neo Nazis were turning up to SFW events, and they definitely were at one of her events in Australia, doing a Nazi salute and with a banner saying something about "paedo freaks".

AliasGrace didn't ask if KJK invited them, she asked if they were there, and they were.

Other people from the far right turn up at her events over here, repeatedly.

KJK makes it very clear, every time she's criticised for not keeping the far right out of her events, that "everybody" is welcome, so even if she's not specifically inviting them, she's giving them the green light to attend by refusing to tell them they're not welcome.

JumpingPumpkin · 31/08/2025 18:02

Holidayholiday2025 · 30/08/2025 17:46

Please don't forget KJK makes money from her content. (I believe YouTube has demonitised her now, thank goodness, but it's not her only channel, and she can still solicit donations from it even so).

The more commercial her content, the more it will get shared, the more money she makes from it. Being a content creator often does push people to more extreme views, as it's rewarded financially, especially if one has no morals to speak of.

KJK claims to have had 16 million views from that Free your Face snippet on Twitter alone. That would make her between a few hundred and a couple of thousand on Twitter just for that clip on that channel.

She's contraversial not because she has principles, but because it makes her ££££.

I’m not sure she does. Not on YouTube and I have seen her complaining that X wasn’t allowing her to be monetised either, though not sure of current situation.

She raises money for her campaigns by selling merch.

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 17:47

AliasGrace47 · 31/08/2025 17:00

The allegations are that neo-Nazis have repeatedly turned up at KJK rallies, aren't they? Is that true. Or not?

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The claim that Neo-Nazis were linked to FWS cost Australian politician John Pesutto over 2.3 Australian dollars and nearly made him bankrupt following a libel trial.

spannasaurus · 31/08/2025 17:38

AliasGrace47 · 31/08/2025 17:00

The allegations are that neo-Nazis have repeatedly turned up at KJK rallies, aren't they? Is that true. Or not?

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Not

AliasGrace47 · 31/08/2025 17:00

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 16:17

How would you define fascists?

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The allegations are that neo-Nazis have repeatedly turned up at KJK rallies, aren't they? Is that true. Or not?

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 16:23

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 16:17

How would you define fascists?

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Maybe get a dictionary? This is whataboutery.

I'm sure you know exactly who I mean by the fascists and the far right.

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 16:21

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 31/08/2025 13:39

If I ran events and the far right kept turning up, I'd make it clear on no uncertain terms that they were not welcome. I wouldn't tolerate them using my events for legitimacy.

I feel precisely the same way about the Socialist Workers Party. They constantly turn up at and subvert events, particularly public demonstrations such as those in support of junior doctors' pay a few years ago. But how often does anyone make clear in no uncertain terms that they are not welcome? So I should assume that everyone else associated with those events supports the SWP and what they stand for?

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People have driven fascists out of events and movements and events in many different ways over the years. Some violent, some wonderfully creative. (Not advocating violence, to be clear).

You have want them to not be there though. If you hand wave it away and say everyone's welcome then you're giving them the green light.

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 16:17

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 16:04

Socialist Workers Party are a pain in the arse.

They're not fascists.

Surely you can see the difference?

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How would you define fascists?

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 16:04

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 31/08/2025 13:39

If I ran events and the far right kept turning up, I'd make it clear on no uncertain terms that they were not welcome. I wouldn't tolerate them using my events for legitimacy.

I feel precisely the same way about the Socialist Workers Party. They constantly turn up at and subvert events, particularly public demonstrations such as those in support of junior doctors' pay a few years ago. But how often does anyone make clear in no uncertain terms that they are not welcome? So I should assume that everyone else associated with those events supports the SWP and what they stand for?

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Socialist Workers Party are a pain in the arse.

They're not fascists.

Surely you can see the difference?

SouthWamses · 31/08/2025 13:46

It is amazing how often trans activists turn up at FWS speak events, clearly they must support KJK. Or is KJK a transactivist?

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 31/08/2025 13:39

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 12:40

That's absolutely not true.

KJK has associated herself with the far right many, many times. Her "oh I didn't know" explanation would be believable if it was only once, but it isn't. Time and again, she courts the far right. If you think it was just once, you really haven't been paying attention.

The far right share her content and buy her merch. They are a money spinner for her and she embraces it.

Have you not noticed the rise of the far right at the moment? It looks like we are heading for some really troubling times. Racism is on the rise and it's terrifying.

The far right are always looking for legitimacy. It's not good enough to say "everyone is welcome". We have to stand against fascism or it will grow. If I ran events and the far right kept turning up, I'd make it clear on no uncertain terms that they were not welcome. I wouldn't tolerate them using my events for legitimacy. But KJK welcomes them in. It's utterly dismaying that this is even up for debate, that women can't see how dangerous this is and accept KJK's insane "I didn't know" excuses. Once, sure. Time and again, no.

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If I ran events and the far right kept turning up, I'd make it clear on no uncertain terms that they were not welcome. I wouldn't tolerate them using my events for legitimacy.

I feel precisely the same way about the Socialist Workers Party. They constantly turn up at and subvert events, particularly public demonstrations such as those in support of junior doctors' pay a few years ago. But how often does anyone make clear in no uncertain terms that they are not welcome? So I should assume that everyone else associated with those events supports the SWP and what they stand for?

Holidayholiday2025 · 31/08/2025 12:40

ThatBlackCat · 31/08/2025 08:26

I'm no fan of KJK, but she did one interview on one youtube channel with someone about feminism, she had no idea of the man's views on white nationalism. What you are doing is accusing Guilt by Association. We've all unknowingly associated with someone with unsavoury views. It doesn't make us guilty. It's just smear for smear sake at this point.

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That's absolutely not true.

KJK has associated herself with the far right many, many times. Her "oh I didn't know" explanation would be believable if it was only once, but it isn't. Time and again, she courts the far right. If you think it was just once, you really haven't been paying attention.

The far right share her content and buy her merch. They are a money spinner for her and she embraces it.

Have you not noticed the rise of the far right at the moment? It looks like we are heading for some really troubling times. Racism is on the rise and it's terrifying.

The far right are always looking for legitimacy. It's not good enough to say "everyone is welcome". We have to stand against fascism or it will grow. If I ran events and the far right kept turning up, I'd make it clear on no uncertain terms that they were not welcome. I wouldn't tolerate them using my events for legitimacy. But KJK welcomes them in. It's utterly dismaying that this is even up for debate, that women can't see how dangerous this is and accept KJK's insane "I didn't know" excuses. Once, sure. Time and again, no.

roseyposey · 31/08/2025 11:19

TheodoreMortlock · 31/08/2025 09:52

I know, I know. But that's the problem with feminism isn't it - full of these po-faced boring women. Doing boring things like setting up campaigns to reform the Hague Convention to support women fleeing domestic violence, and tediously organising to get lesbians out of the Kakuma refugee camp where they were being persecuted, and yawningly running a lesbian book club, petitioning for the release of a secularist feminist in Morocco, starting up a trade union women's network - why can't they just let their hair down and have some FUN, amirite?

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Yes why can’t they get up on a table after a bottle of Chardonnay and flash their boobs just like the ladette femz of the 90s 🤦🏽‍♀️