Where do people think the transvestites have gone?

Using one word was very clever of who made the decision to do it, because it lumps the ordinary trans people in with the fetishists and men who want to be able to take advantage of the situation. It made it easier to add on to the end of LGB, until the seemingly straight but unsatisfied with being ordinary people decided they were "queer".

How on earth is he getting that free on the nhs?

He's extremely vague about it, and I'm not going to ask him probing questions! It's a pity there isn't still someone like Blanchard around doing the research.

In a sense, it doesn't matter, because it doesn't affect the question of who should use women's single-sex services etc. But there are many here who are offended by any man dressing as a woman in public, because at least some of them will be enjoying it sexually.

On previous threads about what GC campaigners' ultimate objectives should be, this question - what to do about public cross-dressing - was always the hardest to answer. After all, if you're a gender critical libertarian, you should be happy for everyone to wear what they want.

Of course certain standards of decency can be imposed by the law, or by a venue, or by employers. But I have it on good authority that it's possible to get an erotic charge from dressing like Miss Marple (Joan Hickson, obvs). It's the fact that they're women's clothes that makes it sexy.

Men are weird, and no mistake.

100% this My XH is one but he"s now getting free electrolysis, a book job and facial feminiastion surgery for free on.the NHS. Nice of the tax payer to fund him getting his rocks off.

I often think this too. I don't think younger people realise today that everyone used to know about transvestites and what they were into and that even the transvestites themselves openly admitted it was a fetish. Everyone knew it was a fetish. No one thought they were women or wanted to be women for a second.

And then suddenly, they all became part of the rainbow community and just as much women as everyone born female.

Who are the men who like to cross dress but it's not a fetish? (Apart from the group who would like to be women or are gay).

(Looking back i can only see men who eventually came out as gay or those who got a sexual kick in my life experience)

Since you mention it, erotic cross-dressing did seem to be regarded more with amused tolerance in the 70s.

I think they're still around, doing their thing, and if they haven't become drag artists or 'transitioned' (like David Hayton), they're doing it in private, or on the Internet, and if they go out (like Grayson Perry does) people assume they're trans. Which probably spoils the buzz, because it's not transgressive enough.

I have a friend who's an erotic cross-dresser and is thinking about transitioning (in his 70s🙄), so he's been talking to people about it (as in, therapists: not Jeremy Vine's radio phone-in). He's getting a lot of push-back, particularly from post-op TWs, who are very dubious about the purity of his motivation.

Having said that, David Hayton describes his paraphilia as so agonising that it was a relief when genital surgery finally both sated it, and brought it to an end.

My friends uncle was a transvestite since the 70s. He moved to a city as there were clubs he could go to where he could dress up. Totally separate from the rest of his life, everyone knew and didn’t speak about it.

2 years ago he declares he is actually a woman. After 2 incidents of him coming to family meals/meet ups and being aggressive, particularly towards the younger female members of the family, he’s been banned .
I imagine the transvestites have all been told now they are women.

It's an excellent question OP and one I've pondered on myself. Are cross dressing men now all to be classed as "transwomen"? Are there cross dressers out there that really don't want to be categorised as some form of real woman? There certainly used to be but you never hear anything about them now.

How do we stop boys from developing this fetish? Or other ones, for that matter? Is it impossible?

Performative outrage to try to close down a conversation you don’t like. Bravo

I mean it doesn’t work on the women here and shows you’re a bit behind the times (2018 called and would like it’s strategies to control the narrative back), but <chef’s kiss> for a top notch example of the technique

I would assume that they had gone to Transylvania, or is that where they come from?🤷

I think the question is why their existence isn't acknowledged.

I’m confused by the question then. We know they’re out there, does it matter where they are?

I know they haven't just vanished. That's rather the point.

Men don’t only cross dress for fetish some do some don’t. There will be men out there that wear woman’s clothing and don’t identify as a woman. They haven’t just vanished. May seem that way because the transvestites could be more private and over shadowed by all the trans people. But then again I’ve never walked up to someone I’ve thought is trans and asked them if their trans or just like woman’s clothing

they were insufficiently susceptible to sophistry, maybe?

@Shortshriftandlethal Those quotes are predictably awful. I'm particularly rolly-eyed at the chap proclaiming that feminists are feminising wrong 🙄

I used to think that transvestites were men who occasionally liked to dress as women. I had no idea about the fetish side of it.
But then I admired Eddie Izzard when he said he was ‘just a bloke who liked wearing dresses’ 😀

We knew in our hearts at that time that policymakers and judges weren’t yet sophisticated enough in their understanding to contemplate rights for people whose difference appeared self-identified or impermanent or maybe even optional.

Does sophisticated here mean stupid?

But we're told constantly that no man would dress as a woman for a mere fetish, nor would they then access single-sex spaces dressed as women, given half the chance. So, they must have all vanished!

They’ve not disappeared, the label has but transvestites haven’t.

I wonder if they've convinced themselves that transvestites being fetishists is just an outdated bigoted stereotype, like gay men being paedophiles or whatever. Or that the poor trans people only stole underwear in the past because they had no other way to get it. Or that they are so few in number and wouldn't cross-dress publicly anyway, unlike "real" trans people (just as we're told no man would ever pretend to be trans just to get into a female prison, so the ones who do must be genuine).

That’s what I was thinking of. Thanks @OldCrone.