Where do people think the transvestites have gone?

Older people's 'lived experience' of this before trans became the cause du jour and a social contagion counts for nothing.

Fo they just call themselves queer now?

@ItsCoolForCats I have also been wondered about this. In my youth I worked in some of the luxury beauty halls in London and high end fashion retail. We used to go out a few nights a week to Soho nightclubs and a large part of our group was made up of men who worked in the beauty halls - some fem gays who wore makeup, majority were basically full on drag (those who worked for MAC) and two transgender. These night clubs were full of gay men in ‘drag’, very few transgender people there as there wasn’t as much hoo-has about it all. Two are still my friends, they got married to their husbands and have abandoned the experimental makeup of youth and dressing like women. Yes they do feel like they became lumped in with the new transgender movement and actually things were simpler back in the day when they may not have been to everyone’s taste but there was certainly a lot of them around being accepted by their social circles and community.

But on the fetish side I absolutely agree and imagine they are still out there. Men would come into stores dressed as women with photo books - show the books to the staff (usually young women) who worked there and give some story about finding feminine clothes for the person in the book who was always them (badly dressed and made up like a woman, but they would claim is not them) They wanted to try in very girly things and always lingerie. I knew about 4 regular men who would do this, saw them repeatedly over the years in different stores I worked and and so did other colleagues/friends in different shops. They definitely got a kick out of it and always wanted you to either help them get dressed and would come out and ask how they looked. It was very uncomfortable and we never asked them to leave because we were worried about complaints so we never said anything to management.

Before anyone jumps on and says ‘oh they’re just a trans person who wanted help’ No, they were not. There’s a clear difference, these men had fetishes and they just wanted to make young women feel uncomfortable. And as someone who had a lot of friends in that community at the time, going out together, getting ready together - helping trans people pick out clothes is not something I would have felt awkward about.

The world is a million miles away now and there’s definitely a part of that group who feels like they got pushed out for not been extreme enough and banging the trans drum. Many of these men have also grown out of this phase and that is a genuine concern for the young trans people of today, they feel like they have to stick to it and go to the extreme. If they change their mind and want to revert it’s like they are betraying the community.

Do you have any data to suggest that allowing men into female spaces will benefit women? Anything? Or are you just another bloke banging on about women should #bekind and bullying women if males with a trans identity feel unsafe in male spaces, that’s on men to sort out. Go and tell them to be kind and make their trans brethren welcome.

Not sufficiently brainwashed?

Errr are you saying transwomen are just men in drag who just wear women’s clothes as a costume? Wow! But if a turn around for you there.

He lied to the gender identity clinc about having "life threatening" gender dysphoria. There are many forums online which school people in what to say and how to act to be convincing. Although not routinely offered clinics can advocate for nhs funding.

Yes, misogyny has been in existence for thousands of years. We know that.

And your point is?

Do you have any data to support your claim that trans abuse of women in 'private spaces' as increased since this cultural distinction has been made?

Just my own thoughts:

Reduce boys' exposure to sexualised content. And I don't mean just porn, but advertising, movies and tv, and maybe even just people around. None of which would be popular, especially saying the sexualising of women's clothing and fashion is problematic for society.

Also something that might prove problematic in other ways - I do wonder if delaying "normal" sexual experiences so that young people are mainly sexually inexperienced until quite late may impact this kind of thing - I think a lot of younger people are relying an awful lot on their imaginations, or pornography, or in the case of girls smutty books, to a really significant degree for years. And because there is no real person involved to remain interesting and compelling, and because it's unfocused, that tends to move toward some odd and abstract things.

I'm not really thinking that teens being promiscuous is the answer, but maybe more real dating, and getting away from the long extension of adolescence that has people marrying and having kids quite late.

It seems to me fetishes start weak, and can potentially be out-competed at an early stage by something better. They get stronger over time and the more they are indulged.

People recognising fetishes as something that will grow and are a problem from early on may also give some tools at that stage to repress them. But they will need to have some kind of practise at sexual self-control, and an awareness that not all fantasy is healthy, and not all sexual expression is harmless as long as there is consent.

All of these are things our society directly contradicts constantly, so I think we are now maximising the number of people developing these kinds of sexual fetishes. (Mainly men, but if you read over at the reddit/detrans you will see some young women describe experiencing something similar to AGP.)

One thing the past few years has taught me is that many people can completely forget things they knew and seemingly understood 10 years ago.

See also - the political left's views on Euroskeptisism and free trade.

This isn't always the case.
Some former transvestites do go on to change their gender identity including using opposite sex facilities.

Men who call themselves gender-fluid or non-binary (and you’ll notice it’s mostly men calling themselves that) fall in one of two categories: unsure about their (homo)sexuality or transvestites/cross-dressers.
This gender spectrum thought experiment and idea that being a woman is a social construct have been cooked up by so-called academics with way too much time available, promoted by LGBT activists - who added a few letters to that anagram - and their allies in the media (BBC) and have given crossdressing men a legitimacy and permission to go out they could have only dreamed of.
What was once a closeted fetish experienced mostly alone or with fear in public is now a celebrated lifestyle where men like Pips Bunce parade in front of large audiences in what can only be described as a transvestite costume and be praised for it ( I mean was the emperor ever more naked?
Having this once-in-a-millennia opportunity to hop on the bandwagon of oppressed minorities and victims of a society dominated by white heterosexual men, these white heterosexual men obviously do not hesitate to choose the “gender fluid” or “non-binary” label that sound a lot cooler and legitimate than being called a transvestite, with all the rights attached to being a minority and victim. Even 20 years ago, the likes of Pips Bunce could have done their crossdressing only at home - they clearly cannot pass in public. Now they can go to work en femme with no one daring to say anything no matter how uncomfortable they feel, and can even win awards in the woman category just by wearing a dress, pantyhose, some makeup and a wig.
The transvestites have not disappeared, they just call themselves something else now.

@ItsCoolForCats I 100% know the sort of people you are talking about. 20/30yrs ago definitely saw the traditional ‘cross -dressing’ man once in a while. Still looked a bit blokey, maybe had grown their hair. Wearing makeup and heels.

Never said they were a women etc etc.

I know of one man like this now, he still says he’s a man, and he’s called Simon. But wears women’s skirts and bags, heels out for the day or shopping. He’s in his 50/60’s. He seems like the cross dressing guys back in the 80’s !

It’s very different now.

Has anyone got 'Where have all the flowers gone?' as an earworm? Although 'Long time passing'? In your dreams, mate!

They just do it out in the open.

Someone I know through a group has grown his hair in the last few years, changed his name but only for people he socialises with in certain groups (his wife and family still call him by his real name, his kids call him dad, grandchildren call him grandad) but he dresses up in a frock to go out with the hobby group and to go to pride marches. He’s not really committed 😂

But there are many here who are offended by any man dressing as a woman in public, because at least some of them will be enjoying it sexually. [...] this question - what to do about public cross-dressing - was always the hardest to answer

There is no way to stop men enjoying themselves sexually in public, providing they don't break any decency laws.
They could be getting off on dressing as a woman, or on shoulder-barging women (see other threads), or ogling sports cars, or whatever else goes on in their strange minds.
Likewise a woman walking down the street may be getting off on her own underwear or those fanny balls (can't recall the name).

I am in favour of anyone wearing whatever (decent) clothes they like, male or female. (That rules out scrunch-bum leggings for everyone!)
All you can do if you suspect someone is 'feeling sexy' in public is ignore them, up until they cross the line.

In the long run, I think it has turned out to be a bit of an own goal.

Which is why we should stop giving the inaccurate courtesy of calling them transwomen and call them what they are ie Trans Identifying Men. TIM.

I feel like years ago it was generally accepted that transvestites we’re doing it for a sexual fetish, but now it’s more about ‘identity’ which makes me think either people are more naive or are being disingenuous.

A lot of them do. These men post about it on their own forums. "Euphoria boners" and such.

Isn't it strange, that since so many speech rules and laws have been imposed, the worse this country has become.

I have a theory that the word rules keep changing frequently, so as to trip up the innocent user, in order that the virtue signaller can jump in and correct them.

This is just another example of how the trans movement redefined or got rid of words that they didn't like.

Very early on the TRAs said that Transsexual and transvestite were insults and couldn't be used.

Transsexual is currently being reclaimed by older trans people as denying them this description is denying them their identity.