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Where do people think the transvestites have gone?

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ItsCoolForCats · 27/08/2025 13:17

I remember a time when a distinction was made between transexuals and transvestites, and there was a recognition that the latter category often cross dressed for fetishistic reasons.

But now everyone is just trans. So regarding those who advocate for any man who says he is trans to access women's single sex spaces, where do they think all the transvestites have gone?

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Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 20:45

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 19:11

When I started doing this (8 years ago) I discussed it with HR and they were fine with it provided I didn’t wear anything ‘over the top’ for want of a better phrase, which I don’t (obviously). There isn’t any hard and fast rules op how one should dress in the office.

You're using / abusing the trans loophole. A key (but generally unspoken, because it shouldn't need to be said) part of the office dress code is that men don't wear women's clothes or jewellery or makeup. Women don't wear men's clothes either.

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2025 20:11

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 15:52

A google search about where to buy tights brought up Mumsnet, and I thought I would see if there were any posts on crossdressing which brought me to this post and I wanted to add my view on crossdressing and why I do it.

John Lewis is my 'go to' option. I like them thick, black and woolly. Make sure to always to buy a larger size than you imagine you need. There is nothing worse than a hanging crotch.

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2025 20:10

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 19:06

Are far as I know I am the only one, at least in the office I am based at, as for why do I enjoy it, I just enjoy wearing a skirt/dress, heels etc in the same way that other people might enjoy wearing particular clothes.

You are not being fully honest. Why would a man enjoy wearing extreme items of culturally associated 'femininity'? What is that particular pleasure?
I'm a woman and have not worn heels since I was 14 years old. They are deeply uncomfortable items of attire and add nothing to my being female or feeling confident in that particular state of being.

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2025 20:05

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 19:11

When I started doing this (8 years ago) I discussed it with HR and they were fine with it provided I didn’t wear anything ‘over the top’ for want of a better phrase, which I don’t (obviously). There isn’t any hard and fast rules op how one should dress in the office.

There are unspoken rules, though, especially when it comes to women who want to be taken seriously.

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2025 20:03

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 17:19

A transvestite is not the same as a man with AGP. The first wants to wear women's clothes (this may or may not be a sexual fetish). The second is sexually aroused by having breasts / a "vagina". I learned this from Az Hakeem - see on YouTube. He ran a gender dysphoria clinic for the NHS.

It is a progressive condition which starts off with an impulse, but then gradually starts to enlarge into a full blown obsession. 'Female' and 'feminisation' becomes the object of desire. It is the same with pornography. The more you indulge, the more you need ever stronger and more extreme stimulus to create the desired effect or state of arousal and satisfaction.

QueenProtea · 27/11/2025 19:54

Oh I see my comment has been deleted 😂

Clearly ShadesOfoptimism didn’t like hearing the truth!!

BezMills · 27/11/2025 19:49

I'm all for expanding the bandwidth of male expression, and any man dressed anyhow is safe next to me. I wouldn't suit a frock myself, but look bang tidy in my kilts.

QueenProtea · 27/11/2025 19:16

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ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 19:11

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 18:36

Lots of women love dressing up in ballgowns and jewels. Lots of women love wearing little shorts and a bikini top. They enjoy being looked at when they dress like that. But they don't dress like that in the office, because there's a written or unwritten office dress code. @ShadesOfoptimism is taking advantage of the transwomen are women loophole to breach the dress code, that's all. Even if you believe in trans, he isn't trans.

When I started doing this (8 years ago) I discussed it with HR and they were fine with it provided I didn’t wear anything ‘over the top’ for want of a better phrase, which I don’t (obviously). There isn’t any hard and fast rules op how one should dress in the office.

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 19:06

JamieCannister · 27/11/2025 18:06

Do other people dress up in your office? Have you ever had someone come in dressed like a cowboy or a vampire or dressed like a penguin?

In what way for you "enjoy" presenting as female? Do you enjoy it more when you are with other people or do you prefer to do it by yourself?

Are far as I know I am the only one, at least in the office I am based at, as for why do I enjoy it, I just enjoy wearing a skirt/dress, heels etc in the same way that other people might enjoy wearing particular clothes.

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 18:36

JamieCannister · 27/11/2025 18:06

Do other people dress up in your office? Have you ever had someone come in dressed like a cowboy or a vampire or dressed like a penguin?

In what way for you "enjoy" presenting as female? Do you enjoy it more when you are with other people or do you prefer to do it by yourself?

Lots of women love dressing up in ballgowns and jewels. Lots of women love wearing little shorts and a bikini top. They enjoy being looked at when they dress like that. But they don't dress like that in the office, because there's a written or unwritten office dress code. @ShadesOfoptimism is taking advantage of the transwomen are women loophole to breach the dress code, that's all. Even if you believe in trans, he isn't trans.

JamieCannister · 27/11/2025 18:09

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 17:19

A transvestite is not the same as a man with AGP. The first wants to wear women's clothes (this may or may not be a sexual fetish). The second is sexually aroused by having breasts / a "vagina". I learned this from Az Hakeem - see on YouTube. He ran a gender dysphoria clinic for the NHS.

He is one of the most important voices on trans issues IMHO. Wonderful man.

JamieCannister · 27/11/2025 18:06

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 14:55

I am a crossdresser/transvestite/gender fluid person, I really don’t have a label for myself, I just enjoy presenting as female (which I do in public at the office once a week), I really find it difficult to put into words why I do it, it’s just something I really enjoy and get a deep sense of satisfaction from (and it’s nice to have lovely coloured hair instead of my standard grey and receding hairline)

Do other people dress up in your office? Have you ever had someone come in dressed like a cowboy or a vampire or dressed like a penguin?

In what way for you "enjoy" presenting as female? Do you enjoy it more when you are with other people or do you prefer to do it by yourself?

EmpressaurusKitty · 27/11/2025 17:36

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 17:19

A transvestite is not the same as a man with AGP. The first wants to wear women's clothes (this may or may not be a sexual fetish). The second is sexually aroused by having breasts / a "vagina". I learned this from Az Hakeem - see on YouTube. He ran a gender dysphoria clinic for the NHS.

Christine Burns & Press for Change campaigned to blur the boundaries so that they all just came under ‘trans’.

My priority, whatever men are wearing or however happy it might make them, is that they stay out of women’s spaces.

Although I don’t see why men can’t have ‘lovely coloured hair’ while presenting as men.

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 17:19

A transvestite is not the same as a man with AGP. The first wants to wear women's clothes (this may or may not be a sexual fetish). The second is sexually aroused by having breasts / a "vagina". I learned this from Az Hakeem - see on YouTube. He ran a gender dysphoria clinic for the NHS.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/11/2025 16:33

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 14:55

I am a crossdresser/transvestite/gender fluid person, I really don’t have a label for myself, I just enjoy presenting as female (which I do in public at the office once a week), I really find it difficult to put into words why I do it, it’s just something I really enjoy and get a deep sense of satisfaction from (and it’s nice to have lovely coloured hair instead of my standard grey and receding hairline)

Is it just the crossdressing or being seen crossdressing that gives you this deep sense of satisfaction?

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 15:52

Greyskybluesky · 27/11/2025 15:47

What drew you to the Feminism board on Mumsnet?

A google search about where to buy tights brought up Mumsnet, and I thought I would see if there were any posts on crossdressing which brought me to this post and I wanted to add my view on crossdressing and why I do it.

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2025 15:49

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 15:17

I used to know a family (with primary age daughters) where the father when at home dressed up in girls' school uniform, including mini-skirt. Before the trans movement, he described himself as a transvestite. Since the trans movement he has described himself as trans. He taught his daughters that when you meet someone new you need to ask them what their gender is. They were very caught up in trans ideology, clearly taught by him. He clearly espouses transgenderism because it supports his transvesticism.

That goes for a very significant proportion of trans identified men these days. People like Joss Prior who 'transitioned' fully about 10 years ago when his daughters were aged 8 and 12.

Greyskybluesky · 27/11/2025 15:47

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 14:55

I am a crossdresser/transvestite/gender fluid person, I really don’t have a label for myself, I just enjoy presenting as female (which I do in public at the office once a week), I really find it difficult to put into words why I do it, it’s just something I really enjoy and get a deep sense of satisfaction from (and it’s nice to have lovely coloured hair instead of my standard grey and receding hairline)

What drew you to the Feminism board on Mumsnet?

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 15:17

I used to know a family (with primary age daughters) where the father when at home dressed up in girls' school uniform, including mini-skirt. Before the trans movement, he described himself as a transvestite. Since the trans movement he has described himself as trans. He taught his daughters that when you meet someone new you need to ask them what their gender is. They were very caught up in trans ideology, clearly taught by him. He clearly espouses transgenderism because it supports his transvesticism.

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 15:15

In case this hasn't been posted yet. This doctor ran an NHS gender dysphoria clinic for over 10 years. It was open to all. He found that a very large number of the people who came were transvestites. They were men attracted to wearing women's clothes. They did not consider themselves to be women and didn't want to be women. Interestingly, this wasn't a sexual fetish for all of them. Some of them were attracted to wearing women's clothes, without getting a sexual kick out of it. He says at some point, maybe in this video, that he saw a lot of men who basically dressed up as their mothers. This was because they had some kind of a trauma issue related to their mothers. He said this was almost always confirmed by them during psychotherapy.

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 14:55

OldCrone · 15/09/2025 09:05

I'm still waiting for you to explain why men crossdress if it's not a fetish.

I've asked several times and you still haven't answered.

I can draw my own conclusions for your lack of response.

I am a crossdresser/transvestite/gender fluid person, I really don’t have a label for myself, I just enjoy presenting as female (which I do in public at the office once a week), I really find it difficult to put into words why I do it, it’s just something I really enjoy and get a deep sense of satisfaction from (and it’s nice to have lovely coloured hair instead of my standard grey and receding hairline)

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 15/09/2025 18:19

There was a sixty something man in my local high street this weekend wearing a Union Jack mini dress, hair in pigtails and, but of course, knee high boots. But it’s not a fetish, obvs

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 15/09/2025 18:16

When I read ‘dressed like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman’ I imagined the brown polka dot dress. If I was going to pick an outfit from that film, that’s the one I’d go for. But of course it was the thigh high boots when it’s a man doing the choosing.

GreenFriedTomato · 15/09/2025 10:09

flopsyuk · 27/08/2025 15:59

Who are the men who like to cross dress but it's not a fetish? (Apart from the group who would like to be women or are gay).

(Looking back i can only see men who eventually came out as gay or those who got a sexual kick in my life experience)

Walking through my town centre the other day, I spotted a man sat outside a cafe. Likely in his 60's, dressed like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman. Blond bob wig, leather mini skirt and thigh high stiletto boots. There is no way he wasn't playing out some kind of fetish. I can't see any other reason for the fact that so many dress like hookers or porn stars in public.