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Where do people think the transvestites have gone?

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ItsCoolForCats · 27/08/2025 13:17

I remember a time when a distinction was made between transexuals and transvestites, and there was a recognition that the latter category often cross dressed for fetishistic reasons.

But now everyone is just trans. So regarding those who advocate for any man who says he is trans to access women's single sex spaces, where do they think all the transvestites have gone?

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lifeinthelastlane · 20/04/2026 20:07

If you weren't male though you wouldn't get compliments when you went out. This isn't something most women experience regularly!

FrippEnos · 20/04/2026 20:03

@Feelingthebreeze

Cross dressers ended up being co-opted by stonewall in to there rush to define everyone as trans, and as with various other groups got forgotten, pushed to the back and then dismissed once stonewall and TRAs realised that there was no gain to including them in the group.

It is somewhat ammusing to see that the most vocal have been TiMs, Fetishists, and drag queens.

NCSue87 · 20/04/2026 17:09

But I would agree that in the current climate of obsession with transwomen the mere crossdressers have been forgotten about. If a little boy wants to wear a dress maybe he just wants to wear a dress - but society seems to want to make it easier for him to identify as a girl and even live as one. People should stop assuming we are on a journey to imagined womanhood - most crossdressers are very happy being male, as I am.

This is the same for women who dress 'butch' to be fair. It infuriates me.

Feelingthebreeze · 20/04/2026 17:06

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Delphin · 29/11/2025 09:28

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 27/11/2025 22:18

I am reminded of this guy, who makes male dresses for himself, designed to fit his body. https://www.menshealth.com/style/a35477719/gender-fluid-fashion-style-dresses-men/

Oh, that reminds me of someone I saw in a docu about recycling/upcycling (he wasn't in it because he wore a skirt, but because he used to be an electrician and was helping a friend to build a smoking box for fishes from scrap).
He was an artist, had a studio in a village and built and presented his work there. His style of dress was pretty much like that of Sebastiaan, but more colourful, black with stylized flowers on it. Also wore black leggings with his knee lenghth skirt and (male) sandals (it was autumn when they filmed). Short male haircut, no beard, no makeup.
I didn't record it back then, but I should have, just to be able to refer or quote it (haven't been able to find the title or maker of the docu)

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 28/11/2025 13:21

Greyskybluesky · 28/11/2025 10:26

Interesting - I like some of this guy's outfits. I'm impressed he makes his own clothes (as I am equally when a woman does).

I agree with @GoldenGate Pushing boundaries of fashion should be no big deal, and it is after all how women changed expectations in clothing and beyond (defying the "norms"). Men claiming to be women or demanding access to reserved spaces is where the line is crossed.

I like some of this guy's outfits.

He's pattern cut them to fit and suit his body, so they fit him properly. I think a lot of why cross-dressers tend to look weird is because their clothes don't fit.

Greyskybluesky · 28/11/2025 10:26

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 27/11/2025 22:18

I am reminded of this guy, who makes male dresses for himself, designed to fit his body. https://www.menshealth.com/style/a35477719/gender-fluid-fashion-style-dresses-men/

Interesting - I like some of this guy's outfits. I'm impressed he makes his own clothes (as I am equally when a woman does).

I agree with @GoldenGate Pushing boundaries of fashion should be no big deal, and it is after all how women changed expectations in clothing and beyond (defying the "norms"). Men claiming to be women or demanding access to reserved spaces is where the line is crossed.

GoldenGate · 28/11/2025 10:11

I've recently noticed a few men wearing skirts without any attempt to look like a woman. Think typical man in jeans but replace with knee length skirt and tights, and nice UGG boots in one case. Would they be termed trans, transvestites, or just non conforming men? Pushing boundaries of fashion should be no big deal, and it is after all how women changed expectations in clothing and beyond (defying the "norms"). Men claiming to be women or demanding access to reserved spaces is where the line is crossed.

Valeriekat · 28/11/2025 08:45

ItsCoolForCats · 27/08/2025 13:17

I remember a time when a distinction was made between transexuals and transvestites, and there was a recognition that the latter category often cross dressed for fetishistic reasons.

But now everyone is just trans. So regarding those who advocate for any man who says he is trans to access women's single sex spaces, where do they think all the transvestites have gone?

It is not an accident!

ShadesOfoptimism · 28/11/2025 08:13

ThatBlackCat · 28/11/2025 05:40

When doing so, do you use the male or female toilets?

There are individual gender neutral toilets in the office, so no issues there.

JamieCannister · 28/11/2025 08:07

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 20:45

You're using / abusing the trans loophole. A key (but generally unspoken, because it shouldn't need to be said) part of the office dress code is that men don't wear women's clothes or jewellery or makeup. Women don't wear men's clothes either.

Trans is a loophole, everything about it is a loophole

moggly · 28/11/2025 08:07

Female is clothes and makeup and tucked-in bollocks of course 🤮

moggly · 28/11/2025 08:05

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 14:55

I am a crossdresser/transvestite/gender fluid person, I really don’t have a label for myself, I just enjoy presenting as female (which I do in public at the office once a week), I really find it difficult to put into words why I do it, it’s just something I really enjoy and get a deep sense of satisfaction from (and it’s nice to have lovely coloured hair instead of my standard grey and receding hairline)

"presenting as female" 🙄

JamieCannister · 28/11/2025 08:04

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 19:06

Are far as I know I am the only one, at least in the office I am based at, as for why do I enjoy it, I just enjoy wearing a skirt/dress, heels etc in the same way that other people might enjoy wearing particular clothes.

(1) Why do you think the people who love dressing up for halloween don't do it once a week in the office?
(2) Do you worry that people look at you and assume that you are doing it for sexual reasons (autogynephilia or transvestic fetishism)?

ThatBlackCat · 28/11/2025 05:40

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 14:55

I am a crossdresser/transvestite/gender fluid person, I really don’t have a label for myself, I just enjoy presenting as female (which I do in public at the office once a week), I really find it difficult to put into words why I do it, it’s just something I really enjoy and get a deep sense of satisfaction from (and it’s nice to have lovely coloured hair instead of my standard grey and receding hairline)

When doing so, do you use the male or female toilets?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 27/11/2025 22:10

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 15:52

A google search about where to buy tights brought up Mumsnet, and I thought I would see if there were any posts on crossdressing which brought me to this post and I wanted to add my view on crossdressing and why I do it.

Snag are popular with the Style And Beauty regulars. They come in all the colours. For work, avoid the fishnet and mock garter styles because they are for nights out only.

Don't buy heavy deniers in supermarket own-brand or otherwise cheap makes because they itch and itch.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 27/11/2025 21:52

ShadesOfoptimism · 27/11/2025 14:55

I am a crossdresser/transvestite/gender fluid person, I really don’t have a label for myself, I just enjoy presenting as female (which I do in public at the office once a week), I really find it difficult to put into words why I do it, it’s just something I really enjoy and get a deep sense of satisfaction from (and it’s nice to have lovely coloured hair instead of my standard grey and receding hairline)

I wonder how much is clothing envy? As in, women get the colourful outfits whilst men get Yet Another Grey Suit.

RogueFemale · 27/11/2025 21:40

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lcakethereforeIam · 27/11/2025 21:33

Why do they dress like their wives? Or why did they marry women who look like their fetish?

KyleSelina · 27/11/2025 21:32

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Barbie222 · 27/11/2025 21:32

It’s the elephant in the room really - until the trans community are open about the fetish aspect and call it out for what it is, they’re going to continue to struggle hugely with their PR.

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 21:17

@RogueFemale I didn't get the impression that he saw many or possibly any women at his gender dysphoria clinic! So do you think that cross dressing is always a sexual fetish? And why do you think so many cross dressing men dress to look like their mothers or (let's face it) their wives?

ContentedAlpaca · 27/11/2025 21:10

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2025 20:11

John Lewis is my 'go to' option. I like them thick, black and woolly. Make sure to always to buy a larger size than you imagine you need. There is nothing worse than a hanging crotch.

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I prefer thermal leggings. M&s have them for about £15 and worn with my walking boots they look just like tights and I can wear them under a tunic.
Or the range do heat holder tights. They're not bad either.

RogueFemale · 27/11/2025 21:07

Tadpolesinponds · 27/11/2025 15:15

In case this hasn't been posted yet. This doctor ran an NHS gender dysphoria clinic for over 10 years. It was open to all. He found that a very large number of the people who came were transvestites. They were men attracted to wearing women's clothes. They did not consider themselves to be women and didn't want to be women. Interestingly, this wasn't a sexual fetish for all of them. Some of them were attracted to wearing women's clothes, without getting a sexual kick out of it. He says at some point, maybe in this video, that he saw a lot of men who basically dressed up as their mothers. This was because they had some kind of a trauma issue related to their mothers. He said this was almost always confirmed by them during psychotherapy.

If this isn't a male sexual fetish, where are all the disturbed women dressing up as their fathers?

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