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Horrifying testimonies seek to lift shroud of silence around ritual sex abuse claims

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IwantToRetire · 26/08/2025 02:17

Police have opened an investigation into multiple allegations of organized ritual sexual abuse after accusers relayed harrowing testimony of torture, rape and other horrors to lawmakers late last month.

The July 27 hearing included testimony from alleged victims, now adults, regarding abuse they had experienced as children, primarily in the ultra-Orthodox and national-religious communities in Jerusalem, Bnei Brak, Haifa, Safed and elsewhere.

Accusers recounted tales of gruesome sexual abuse they experienced as children, usually by groups of people, involving ritualistic, religious rhetoric and iconography. The abuse took place in schools, synagogues, private homes, warehouses, cemeteries and forests, they alleged.

“The police received material about this a year ago, and said they would investigate, but they didn’t,” said Orit Sulitzeanu, the executive director of the Association of Rape Crisis Centers in Israel, who has been working with victims of organized ritual sexual abuse for over a year to bring their claims to light.

Extracts from quite a long article at https://www.timesofisrael.com/horrifying-testimonies-seek-to-lift-shroud-of-silence-around-ritual-sex-abuse-claims/

Please note some details of abuse in this article maybe hard for some to read.

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AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 21:28

Decca Aitkenhead was moved to write the article by this BBC Radio 4 program about sibling sexual abuse. Shocked me that it is apparently the most common but also least reported form.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00187rz&ved=2ahUKEwi8vpLi9LqPAxUPTkEAHQbyA9oQFnoECCYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1GMAS6kPgInqg2OifkVfpG

There was also a TED talk recently by a survivor, Jane Epstein.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.jane-epstein.com/tedx&ved=2ahUKEwjSgo3g9bqPAxVVU0EAHX8NHfIQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2PyzlArqWadx-6lcELfSBH

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 21:25

Here it is.

archive.ph/RjuYi

AliasGrace47 · 02/09/2025 21:22

ScrollingLeaves · 02/09/2025 20:48

Thank but it is behind a paywall @AliasGrace47 . Do you have the title
please? Perhaps it can be found in an archive.

Sorry! Yes, I remember it was recommended on here and an archivec link was given. Let me find it

ScrollingLeaves · 02/09/2025 20:48

Thank but it is behind a paywall @AliasGrace47 . Do you have the title
please? Perhaps it can be found in an archive.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/09/2025 20:43

IwantToRetire · 02/09/2025 18:37

Not sure that it was any more graphic than the Times of Israel report that I used for the OP as it isn't behind a paywall. But then posters often dont read the link in an OP just respond to the limited aspects of a few lines.

The Haaretz article is at https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-04/ty-article/.premium/survivors-testify-to-knesset-about-childhood-sexual-abuse-network-in-religious-ceremonies/00000197-3bca-da41-a9f7-3fceaa010000 and can also be read in full at https://archive.is/NTJlO

Can always post with a trigger warning.

Thank you @IwantToRetire .

IwantToRetire · 02/09/2025 18:37

ScrollingLeaves · 02/09/2025 11:49

@AliasGrace47 I have asked for my post showing the article about ritual sexual abuse as discussed in the Knesset to be deleted. Thanks for flagging the problem.

Not sure that it was any more graphic than the Times of Israel report that I used for the OP as it isn't behind a paywall. But then posters often dont read the link in an OP just respond to the limited aspects of a few lines.

The Haaretz article is at https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-04/ty-article/.premium/survivors-testify-to-knesset-about-childhood-sexual-abuse-network-in-religious-ceremonies/00000197-3bca-da41-a9f7-3fceaa010000 and can also be read in full at https://archive.is/NTJlO

Can always post with a trigger warning.

Survivors testify to Knesset about childhood sexual abuse network in religious ceremonies

***

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-04/ty-article/.premium/survivors-testify-to-knesset-about-childhood-sexual-abuse-network-in-religious-ceremonies/00000197-3bca-da41-a9f7-3fceaa010000

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ScrollingLeaves · 02/09/2025 11:49

@AliasGrace47 I have asked for my post showing the article about ritual sexual abuse as discussed in the Knesset to be deleted. Thanks for flagging the problem.

ScrollingLeaves · 02/09/2025 11:40

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 22:12

ScrollingLeaves, it's v kind of you to link but isn't that article quite graphic? Do you have to paste the whole thing on this thread?

Is there no share token option so it doesn't need to be posted on the thread?

I am very sorry @AliasGrace47 I did not have a share token. It is graphic so I understand I should have given a warning at least. It is about the same Knesset meeting as the OP Times of Israel. Both are well regarded for news reports but I take your point and apologise.

IwantToRetire · 02/09/2025 00:46

Child abuse linked to faith or belief
https://www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/caa/child-abuse/faith-based-abuse

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IwantToRetire · 02/09/2025 00:45

“It’s a Phenomenon in Our Community, a Phenomenon That Is Silenced”: Child Sexual Abuse and the Circles of Silence in the Jewish National Religious Community in Israel
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-0760/13/1/26

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AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 22:12

ScrollingLeaves, it's v kind of you to link but isn't that article quite graphic? Do you have to paste the whole thing on this thread?

Is there no share token option so it doesn't need to be posted on the thread?

ScrollingLeaves · 01/09/2025 22:09

This reply has been deleted

Post deleted as too graphic for general publication

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 22:09

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2025 21:26

There's actually been a recent movement to talk about siblings sexual abuse : sadly it's way more common than anyone would think. Decca Aitkenhead did a v good but hard to read article for The Times, which mentioned several other resources, including the US podcast SiblingsToo, which gives survivor testimony but also advice from various authorities on how to prevent or failing that, deal with it

There was also a v sad Atlantic article about many incest cases being revealed by genetic searching in 23andMe.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2024/03/dna-tests-incest/677791/&ved=2ahUKEwjYs_2rtbiPAxWUUkEAHcHeGegQFnoECCcQAQ&usg=AOvVaw345AlQlePWnUVK658J8NvQ

https://www.google.com/url?opi=89978449&rct=j&sa=t&source=web&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fhealth%2Farchive%2F2024%2F03%2Fdna-tests-incest%2F677791%2F&usg=AOvVaw345AlQlePWnUVK658J8NvQ&ved=2ahUKEwjYs_2rtbiPAxWUUkEAHcHeGegQFnoECCcQAQ

ScrollingLeaves · 01/09/2025 21:51

That is horrifying. The religion and ritual must be being used to disguise their lust and sadism. Those poor children, now adults, not being able to do anything - and the thought that it will still be going on. The cover ups and the police not bothering!

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 21:34

User37482 · 01/09/2025 20:59

It’s “The Pitcairn Trials” on wondery (can be found on spotify, you can get a free trial period as I think you have to be a subscriber). It is treated quite lightly imo by the podcast but it is still interesting.

Thank you. I've read a little about the Pitcairn case & what disturbed me the most was the way they older women acted to the victims. I just couldn't rationalise how you could be like that : maybe since it was so ingrained that had been abused themselves and wanted to believe it was OK?? Well, I shall find out from the podcast, I expect ☹️

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2025 21:26

I think that you will find that this is not particular to anyone community.

eg the number of daughters made pregnant by their father or brother.
https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2010/03/11/social-workers-reluctant-to-face-reality-in-incest-case/

Let alone the well known cliches of inbreeding in what were once remote parts of the UK.

The pattern is always the same. Women trapped in a small community are at risk.

This is quite old https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7422843/More-13-000-Britons-born-illegal-extreme-inbreeding.html

But a more recent one in France showed much the same.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/nov/26/uk-crime-father-rape-sentenced
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/daughter-tells-of-incest-and-brutality-was-made-pregnant-1578582.html
https://www.innertemplelibrary.com/2015/04/derby-man-who-got-daughter-pregnant-is-jailed-for-life-bbc-news/
https://metro.co.uk/2017/01/25/father-had-sex-with-daughter-and-got-her-pregnant-twice-in-incestuous-relationship-6406358/

Social workers reluctant to face reality in incest case

A serious case review into two sisters repeatedly made pregnant by their abusive father over a period of 35 years has found social workers and other professionals suspected incest for many years but were reluctant to acknowledge such fears in the absen...

https://www.communitycare.co.uk/2010/03/11/social-workers-reluctant-to-face-reality-in-incest-case/

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User37482 · 01/09/2025 21:05

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2025 16:24

I think the point about isolated communities, or those that chose to not engage in wider societies or by geography are isolated is the common link.

Look at all those hippie communes where sooner or later male dominance led to sexual abuse.

I suppose the difference is that sometimes young, but adults chose to join the cult or group. Unlike children born into one.

But the pattern of men creating the "rules"under the guise of religion, lifestyle or whatever, all seem remarkably similary.

Women (and children) exist for men to dominate and abuse

Yes absolutely, every cult I’ve heard of is fundamentally similar in that inevitably control over women and abuse of minors. I think closed religious communities of any stripe are similar, the level of control and secrecy is the same.

I remember reading an article by Matthew Syed in the Times (a very sensible man) where he talked about a biobank employee who found very high levels of children born of incest in Bradfords muslim population compared to the average numbers but no-one wanted to talk about it because of accusations of racism. Similar no doubt to hesitations to expose abuse in Jewish communities.

User37482 · 01/09/2025 20:59

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 12:14

I've read a bit about the Pitcairn abuse - horrible.... Could you let me know the name of the podcast- I'd be interested in listening?

It’s “The Pitcairn Trials” on wondery (can be found on spotify, you can get a free trial period as I think you have to be a subscriber). It is treated quite lightly imo by the podcast but it is still interesting.

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 17:33

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2025 16:50

I think this is common with any number of minority communities. That their experience of discrimination because of their race, religion or whatever, means that even those suffering abuse are not going to go to the wider dominant community for help.

This is why many women's refuges or rape crisis support lines were set up by and for women from minority communities. To give women needing support help from those who share their life experience.

Sadly, because of funding cuts, many of the women's groups that first lost their funding, were these groups.

Awful. I know about the important work minority women did, that must continue..I guess donations are something, but the gov should also prioritise.

With regard to UK Ultra Orthodox Jews, I listened to a Radio 4 program recently

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p04n1x7p

The man interviewed had difficulty with English, as his life had been spent among people who mainly spoke Yiddish. Obvs not just language is the barrier there, but just communicating w people who aren't in your specific group.. And these were people who luckily had not been abused, just wanted to live a less restrictive lifestyle

I need to check, but I think at least some Ultra Orthodox Jews risk losing their family contact if they leave.

I've read similar about the Amish community, and also the UK gypsy community : not always, but often people seem to lose contact with family if they leave.

Heart and Soul - Off the Derech - BBC Sounds

The charity helping Orthodox Jews who want to break away from their faith

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p04n1x7p

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 16:52

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2025 16:24

I think the point about isolated communities, or those that chose to not engage in wider societies or by geography are isolated is the common link.

Look at all those hippie communes where sooner or later male dominance led to sexual abuse.

I suppose the difference is that sometimes young, but adults chose to join the cult or group. Unlike children born into one.

But the pattern of men creating the "rules"under the guise of religion, lifestyle or whatever, all seem remarkably similary.

Women (and children) exist for men to dominate and abuse

You don't even have to have a commune in the middle of nowhere. I sometimes wonder why the SWP, and its franchises in other countries, has such a chronic problem with rape coverups. It's some combination of a strict hierarchical leadership; a sense that it's us against the world; an immersive activism, so many members have literally no friends outside the organisation and are terrified of losing their whole social circle if they get kicked out.

Is it impossible that similar things could happen in, let's say, the Green Party or Plaid Cymru? I'd say it's relatively less likely because the hierarchy isn't as strict and the fanaticism isn't as intense... but on the other hand, we've got the examples of certain Labour local authorities.

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2025 16:50

AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 16:33

I think w Ultra Orthodox Jews, the issue is complicated by anti-Semitism. There are old tropes linking Jews with child abuse, and so victims & others feel uncomfortable that their testimony/support could be used to defame Jews as a whole.

I lurk sometimes on the subrredit for exjews. They are mainly US Ultra Orthodox, or at least Orthodox. Obvs it's SM and plenty could be lies, but there does seem to be a continual theme of extreme fear of the general community. Eg. One poster reported being told by a yeshiva rabbi, ' Hashem (God) invented sports for the goyim so they'd be busy with that and not with killing Jews.'

Also by the fact that in the USA, NY in particular, some Ultra Orthodox groups are quite politically influential. So another reason making it hard for victims to speak out.

I think this is common with any number of minority communities. That their experience of discrimination because of their race, religion or whatever, means that even those suffering abuse are not going to go to the wider dominant community for help.

This is why many women's refuges or rape crisis support lines were set up by and for women from minority communities. To give women needing support help from those who share their life experience.

Sadly, because of funding cuts, many of the women's groups that first lost their funding, were these groups.

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AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 16:33

I think w Ultra Orthodox Jews, the issue is complicated by anti-Semitism. There are old tropes linking Jews with child abuse, and so victims & others feel uncomfortable that their testimony/support could be used to defame Jews as a whole.

I lurk sometimes on the subrredit for exjews. They are mainly US Ultra Orthodox, or at least Orthodox. Obvs it's SM and plenty could be lies, but there does seem to be a continual theme of extreme fear of the general community. Eg. One poster reported being told by a yeshiva rabbi, ' Hashem (God) invented sports for the goyim so they'd be busy with that and not with killing Jews.'

Also by the fact that in the USA, NY in particular, some Ultra Orthodox groups are quite politically influential. So another reason making it hard for victims to speak out.

IwantToRetire · 01/09/2025 16:24

I think the point about isolated communities, or those that chose to not engage in wider societies or by geography are isolated is the common link.

Look at all those hippie communes where sooner or later male dominance led to sexual abuse.

I suppose the difference is that sometimes young, but adults chose to join the cult or group. Unlike children born into one.

But the pattern of men creating the "rules"under the guise of religion, lifestyle or whatever, all seem remarkably similary.

Women (and children) exist for men to dominate and abuse

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AliasGrace47 · 01/09/2025 12:23

SionnachRuadh · 01/09/2025 10:34

Great point @User37482

If anyone's interested, Lost Paradise by Kathy Marks is a brilliant book on the Pitcairn abuse saga. It's a grim read but really gets to the core of the abuse.

Often the setting is a religous one - the Satmar sect of Hasidic Jews have a pretty terrible record, and I have knowledge of some breakaway Mormon groups - but really it's a matter of closed communities. It's just that, in our society, closed communities are usually (but not always) minority religious groups.

Thanks for the rec. I have quite a strong interest in Ultra-Orthodox Judaism, sadly there's quite a lot of evidence for abuse there in the US, but I didn't know about Satmars specifically.

I'll link a couple of articles, w TW for abuse ofc.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.vice.com/en/article/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11/&ved=2ahUKEwj-tLvnuLePAxU5VEEAHXKBHbUQFnoECCMQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3ryGRKy6DzQRLKoGuLAxYQ

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/nyregion/ultra-orthodox-jews-shun-their-own-for-reporting-child-sexual-abuse.html&ved=2ahUKEwipnqD7uLePAxW-REEAHe_3A6EQFnoECGYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3xMfL4t1BEe2xHr2-YMql6

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.nytimes.com/2009/10/14/nyregion/14abuse.html&ved=2ahUKEwiaooSfubePAxUjWkEAHcGXBWoQFnoECCQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2EIri8LcLO-MYoK0M54TEF

https://www.google.com/url?opi=89978449&rct=j&sa=t&source=web&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2012%2F05%2F10%2Fnyregion%2Fultra-orthodox-jews-shun-their-own-for-reporting-child-sexual-abuse.html&usg=AOvVaw3xMfL4t1BEe2xHr2-YMql6&ved=2ahUKEwipnqD7uLePAxW-REEAHe_3A6EQFnoECGYQAQ