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Who‘s coming to FiLIA?

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lanadelgrey · 23/08/2025 10:33

I‘m starting to get excited.
Are there plans for a MN meetup?

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UrsulasHerbBag · 14/10/2025 09:04

i have read some wonderful stories from women who had amazing experiences of togetherness and solidarity at this weeks event and that shouldn’t be forgotten. FiLiA is a fantastic event and I hope everyone can pull together to see it continue in the way it has before this episode. I hope when the organisers have calmed down because I am sure they are feeling desperately upset and angry that this event has been sullied by the actions of a few on BOTH sides of the divide. I hope they can look at what went wrong and how they can adjust things to move forward. The speakers they had were divisive this can be looked at in future, with perhaps a pledge from both speakers and attendees to leave aggressive divisive politics at the door. those two American women have doubled down on their social media which has made everything worse plus Jean has gone stratospheric with what happened and her detractors have launched into a “well I wasn’t there but this is what I heard” campaign. It’s no bloody good for anyone. There is a very left leaning woman in one of my groups who has been part of FiLiA organising since its inception and even she felt she couldn’t be part of it this year. That’s just sad. As someone said up thread Feminism is for all women even the ones you don’t like. I also wanted to say @IwantToRetire post was really interesting to me (I often disagree with her posts but I loved how she wrote today it very much resonated with me), she’s old school and I agreed with a lot of what she said.

lanadelgrey · 14/10/2025 08:44

This was my fourth FiLiA. Portsmouth was much more grassroots and had a more workshop focused and women talking about the work they did in VAWG or trade union sectors.
I think there is a tension between it being a conference, which suggests having a manifesto, or a gathering which is more about bringing women with several but not all things in common together. I think I prefer the gathering aspect. What unified Cardiff was Iran which was an acutely present factor that year and the FWS/JKR pull of Glasgow. Blackpool may help bring the focus back down to v specific problems of the area.

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IamSarah · 14/10/2025 08:17

The intimidation tactics of some women were very effective. There were many women who felt unable to speak on stage on the Sunday morning due to the events of the previous evening.

The women who came spoiling for a fight ensured that everybody was talking about them the next day. It became all about them and not about the women who had spent months preparing for their FiLiA sessions, which is exactly what the disruptors wanted.

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/10/2025 08:17

IwantToRetire · 14/10/2025 02:41

I didn't come back to this thread after the disgusting comment on page 3 (I think now deleted) but hav now read through this thread and the new one started about Julian Long's interveiw on GB news.

Warning signs were already made public prior to the event, eg what happened to TinselAngel, the american lesbian activist disinvited for working across the divide, the bizarre notion that FWS aren't capable of talking about their own campaign, etc., etc.. Sheila Jeffries being excluded.

But also, which has been said, the organising group has been infiltrated by members of the Actual Gender Critical Left group and the network of feminists they think are acceptable.

For them their left purity politics are the priority. It is no surprise that Julie Long, Shelia Jeffries etc., get banned (not invited). The original Filia team were and maybe still are politically niave, and easy to manipulate - or a bit starry eyed and have accepted that women who are names in feminist left circles are to be enabled.

So not just because of this FiLia but what we often discuss on FWR about how there are feminist facktions, if in future women dont question the motives and politics of the organising group you are quite likely to be confronted by something and someone you dont agree with.

It just seems really, really strange that those who are on FWR would not be aware of the drift of FiLia (or is that captured) the feminists whose politics most threads on FWR disagree with. Let alone the long thread on FWR about the workshop where those attending felt they were being manipulated by those aligned to AGCL. Ironically they women who held that workshop thought they were brilliant and everyong who attended was really impressed by them. No wonder they have thought it worthwhile getting established within the organising.

Instead of the sort of bleating that Rahila Gupta wrote about who should we choose, etc., whilst arranging for friends to have a platform why not suggest to FiLia that next time they draw up a draft proposed list of workshops and speakers, and then ask those interested in attending their reaction to that draft.

This is how the original Women's Libeation conferences were organise. No central committe whether registered as a charity or not, would presume to tell women this is what you should listen to.

In fact the first draft of potential workshops (there would never have been anything as elitisted as platformed speakers) would be circulated, and potential attendees would then indicate which if any workshops they were interested in.

This way the content is decided by attendees.

And no plenaries where supposed more important women get to speak down to from the platform.

There might be an end of conference meeting but that would be the opportunity for workshop, campaigns to give a brief outline of what happened in their workshop, and if they for instance were going to start a new campaign.

All that has happened with FiLia is that they have turned feminist activism into a sort of feminist festival, just another cultural event for those with the time and money to attend.

So am I suprised that someone whose politicals are all about virtue signalling would abuse her position on the platform to virtue signal to her brand of feminists (see who she has @ on her twitter account).

I am more suprised that any of you are surprised. If you want FiLia in some form to survive but reflect the politics and political behaviour you think is appropriate, it means letting FiLia know that if they want to continue they need to somehow be much more responsive and in touch with feminist activism, which isn't just about oh nobody will come unless we have well known names. Meeting up and linking with women

By the way I am GC and anti Zionist (as represented by Netanyahu etc.) and the GC feminists I know are too. But think it is possible for women who have politically leaning one way or the other to find what are the common experiences as women.

So not only as a feminist do I think Rahila Gupta did was totally unacceptable at a notionally feminist conference, but also really stupid and has resulted in a backlash.

I despair at the left.

How is it that they end up thinking they have some sort of superiority in terms of political analysis and anyone who doesn't see the world they do are the enemy and should be condemned and spoken down to.

Does being critical of Netanyahu automatically equate to being " anti Zionist". Why?

Anti Zionism is just another way of expressing one's rejection of Israel. Full stop. Why the need to declare one's "anti-zionist" credentials. Can't one simply be critical of a particular political faction and its leader?

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/10/2025 08:10

halfpastten · 13/10/2025 21:56

I was sorry to hear about all the problems at Filia, but not surprised. Since the leadership signed the infamous 'GC against the far right' letter, it was always heading this way. They actively sought out pro-Paly activists to platform, what did they expect. The far left always eats itself.

Yes, Filia does seem to have become a victim of this positioning and polarisation amongst those who wanted to continue to identify with what has become of the Left/Progressivism and those who have rejected it or moved beyond it.

JCJ annoys me. I used to think she was quite brilliant, but now she seems far more invested in nurturing her credentials as a 'right on' left wing activist who just happens to be more enlightened that many of the others - purely because of her stance on women's sex based rights and trans issues.

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/10/2025 08:03

Shinyredbicycle · 13/10/2025 19:57

Waving the Palestinian flag and the yellow ribbons were provocative acts. Possibly the individuals who did so came from a place of expressing their beliefs, without realising that other parties present would experience them as racist/offensive/provocative.

Regardless, the FiLiA disco wasn't really the time or place for either. IMVHO.

The yellow ribbons are not declaring hatred towards Palestinians, though. They are symbols of remembrance for hostages,not hatred for Gazans. It would be like saying that a Poppy is a symbol of hate. The Palestinaian flag waving and the calls of " From the River to the Sea" etc that tend to accompany it are overtly political slogans and the people enacting them are declaring anti Israel sentiment at best, and hatred and destructive intent at worst.

I don't think they are equivalent to be honest.

Shedmistress · 14/10/2025 08:00

Dopeydoraz · 14/10/2025 07:44

I had to search hard to find this wdi conference- it appears to be a hybrid conference and tiny compared to filia’s event? It’s comparatively easy to run a small event. The largeness of filia makes it much more important

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Can you focus on the question asked of you previously please. By the woman you defamed in one of your previous posts. Thanks.

EmpressaurusKitty · 14/10/2025 07:49

Dopeydoraz · 14/10/2025 07:44

I had to search hard to find this wdi conference- it appears to be a hybrid conference and tiny compared to filia’s event? It’s comparatively easy to run a small event. The largeness of filia makes it much more important

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It was small, but excellent.

Are you a FiLiA volunteer, @Dopeydoraz?

Dopeydoraz · 14/10/2025 07:44

ParmaVioletTea · 13/10/2025 22:17

WDI , run by the indefatigable Jo Brew, does a conference each year plus weekly webinars. I’ve had the joy of contributing to both and it’s really satisfying and a great bunch of women.

I had to search hard to find this wdi conference- it appears to be a hybrid conference and tiny compared to filia’s event? It’s comparatively easy to run a small event. The largeness of filia makes it much more important

Shinyredbicycle · 14/10/2025 07:26

Good grief. It's been three years since that ridiculous 'it was all coded messages' Elephant in the Room thread.

Given that those on the panel have been proved to be correct about the rise of the far right and move to the right in mainstream politics internationally, isn't it time you organised a conference that meets all the criteria you seem to want from conferences?

In all sincerity, I mean that. If only to have something to do than complain about the way other women are doing things.

TinselAngel · 14/10/2025 07:09

IwantToRetire · 14/10/2025 02:41

I didn't come back to this thread after the disgusting comment on page 3 (I think now deleted) but hav now read through this thread and the new one started about Julian Long's interveiw on GB news.

Warning signs were already made public prior to the event, eg what happened to TinselAngel, the american lesbian activist disinvited for working across the divide, the bizarre notion that FWS aren't capable of talking about their own campaign, etc., etc.. Sheila Jeffries being excluded.

But also, which has been said, the organising group has been infiltrated by members of the Actual Gender Critical Left group and the network of feminists they think are acceptable.

For them their left purity politics are the priority. It is no surprise that Julie Long, Shelia Jeffries etc., get banned (not invited). The original Filia team were and maybe still are politically niave, and easy to manipulate - or a bit starry eyed and have accepted that women who are names in feminist left circles are to be enabled.

So not just because of this FiLia but what we often discuss on FWR about how there are feminist facktions, if in future women dont question the motives and politics of the organising group you are quite likely to be confronted by something and someone you dont agree with.

It just seems really, really strange that those who are on FWR would not be aware of the drift of FiLia (or is that captured) the feminists whose politics most threads on FWR disagree with. Let alone the long thread on FWR about the workshop where those attending felt they were being manipulated by those aligned to AGCL. Ironically they women who held that workshop thought they were brilliant and everyong who attended was really impressed by them. No wonder they have thought it worthwhile getting established within the organising.

Instead of the sort of bleating that Rahila Gupta wrote about who should we choose, etc., whilst arranging for friends to have a platform why not suggest to FiLia that next time they draw up a draft proposed list of workshops and speakers, and then ask those interested in attending their reaction to that draft.

This is how the original Women's Libeation conferences were organise. No central committe whether registered as a charity or not, would presume to tell women this is what you should listen to.

In fact the first draft of potential workshops (there would never have been anything as elitisted as platformed speakers) would be circulated, and potential attendees would then indicate which if any workshops they were interested in.

This way the content is decided by attendees.

And no plenaries where supposed more important women get to speak down to from the platform.

There might be an end of conference meeting but that would be the opportunity for workshop, campaigns to give a brief outline of what happened in their workshop, and if they for instance were going to start a new campaign.

All that has happened with FiLia is that they have turned feminist activism into a sort of feminist festival, just another cultural event for those with the time and money to attend.

So am I suprised that someone whose politicals are all about virtue signalling would abuse her position on the platform to virtue signal to her brand of feminists (see who she has @ on her twitter account).

I am more suprised that any of you are surprised. If you want FiLia in some form to survive but reflect the politics and political behaviour you think is appropriate, it means letting FiLia know that if they want to continue they need to somehow be much more responsive and in touch with feminist activism, which isn't just about oh nobody will come unless we have well known names. Meeting up and linking with women

By the way I am GC and anti Zionist (as represented by Netanyahu etc.) and the GC feminists I know are too. But think it is possible for women who have politically leaning one way or the other to find what are the common experiences as women.

So not only as a feminist do I think Rahila Gupta did was totally unacceptable at a notionally feminist conference, but also really stupid and has resulted in a backlash.

I despair at the left.

How is it that they end up thinking they have some sort of superiority in terms of political analysis and anyone who doesn't see the world they do are the enemy and should be condemned and spoken down to.

I think you are spot on here.

Kimes · 14/10/2025 06:43

halfpastten · 13/10/2025 21:56

I was sorry to hear about all the problems at Filia, but not surprised. Since the leadership signed the infamous 'GC against the far right' letter, it was always heading this way. They actively sought out pro-Paly activists to platform, what did they expect. The far left always eats itself.

The Jew -hating fish rots from the head down.

IwantToRetire · 14/10/2025 02:41

I didn't come back to this thread after the disgusting comment on page 3 (I think now deleted) but hav now read through this thread and the new one started about Julian Long's interveiw on GB news.

Warning signs were already made public prior to the event, eg what happened to TinselAngel, the american lesbian activist disinvited for working across the divide, the bizarre notion that FWS aren't capable of talking about their own campaign, etc., etc.. Sheila Jeffries being excluded.

But also, which has been said, the organising group has been infiltrated by members of the Actual Gender Critical Left group and the network of feminists they think are acceptable.

For them their left purity politics are the priority. It is no surprise that Julie Long, Shelia Jeffries etc., get banned (not invited). The original Filia team were and maybe still are politically niave, and easy to manipulate - or a bit starry eyed and have accepted that women who are names in feminist left circles are to be enabled.

So not just because of this FiLia but what we often discuss on FWR about how there are feminist facktions, if in future women dont question the motives and politics of the organising group you are quite likely to be confronted by something and someone you dont agree with.

It just seems really, really strange that those who are on FWR would not be aware of the drift of FiLia (or is that captured) the feminists whose politics most threads on FWR disagree with. Let alone the long thread on FWR about the workshop where those attending felt they were being manipulated by those aligned to AGCL. Ironically they women who held that workshop thought they were brilliant and everyong who attended was really impressed by them. No wonder they have thought it worthwhile getting established within the organising.

Instead of the sort of bleating that Rahila Gupta wrote about who should we choose, etc., whilst arranging for friends to have a platform why not suggest to FiLia that next time they draw up a draft proposed list of workshops and speakers, and then ask those interested in attending their reaction to that draft.

This is how the original Women's Libeation conferences were organise. No central committe whether registered as a charity or not, would presume to tell women this is what you should listen to.

In fact the first draft of potential workshops (there would never have been anything as elitisted as platformed speakers) would be circulated, and potential attendees would then indicate which if any workshops they were interested in.

This way the content is decided by attendees.

And no plenaries where supposed more important women get to speak down to from the platform.

There might be an end of conference meeting but that would be the opportunity for workshop, campaigns to give a brief outline of what happened in their workshop, and if they for instance were going to start a new campaign.

All that has happened with FiLia is that they have turned feminist activism into a sort of feminist festival, just another cultural event for those with the time and money to attend.

So am I suprised that someone whose politicals are all about virtue signalling would abuse her position on the platform to virtue signal to her brand of feminists (see who she has @ on her twitter account).

I am more suprised that any of you are surprised. If you want FiLia in some form to survive but reflect the politics and political behaviour you think is appropriate, it means letting FiLia know that if they want to continue they need to somehow be much more responsive and in touch with feminist activism, which isn't just about oh nobody will come unless we have well known names. Meeting up and linking with women

By the way I am GC and anti Zionist (as represented by Netanyahu etc.) and the GC feminists I know are too. But think it is possible for women who have politically leaning one way or the other to find what are the common experiences as women.

So not only as a feminist do I think Rahila Gupta did was totally unacceptable at a notionally feminist conference, but also really stupid and has resulted in a backlash.

I despair at the left.

How is it that they end up thinking they have some sort of superiority in terms of political analysis and anyone who doesn't see the world they do are the enemy and should be condemned and spoken down to.

ArealAdultHumanFemale · 14/10/2025 01:31

Yawhat · 14/10/2025 00:59

There is a certain irony about waving a Palestine flag while dancing at a disco.

Irony?
After all the rape, desecration, murder at a dance festival
All you can come up with is you think "that's ironic?"

Yawhat · 14/10/2025 00:59

There is a certain irony about waving a Palestine flag while dancing at a disco.

ArealAdultHumanFemale · 13/10/2025 23:37

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/10/2025 19:28

Surely waving a flag was itself a provocative action? They must have known it would upset people.

Edited

Waved provocatively at an elderly Jewish woman, who was distressed by it.

Yes, I was there from Thurs to after the (cut short) Closing session on Sunday afternoon.

estellacandance · 13/10/2025 22:19

Jo is a star.

ParmaVioletTea · 13/10/2025 22:17

EmpressaurusKitty · 13/10/2025 20:16

And Sheila Jeffreys.

WDI , run by the indefatigable Jo Brew, does a conference each year plus weekly webinars. I’ve had the joy of contributing to both and it’s really satisfying and a great bunch of women.

halfpastten · 13/10/2025 21:56

I was sorry to hear about all the problems at Filia, but not surprised. Since the leadership signed the infamous 'GC against the far right' letter, it was always heading this way. They actively sought out pro-Paly activists to platform, what did they expect. The far left always eats itself.

ArcheryAnnie · 13/10/2025 21:46

Thingybob · 13/10/2025 18:28

Rahila Gupta has posted the transcript and the video of the last few minutes of her speech at the opening Filia session.

It's still a no from me

x.com/RahilaG/status/1977740462581526658

The irony of that speech: "we must take an expansive and generous view of any differences", then proceeds to shit on the stage (as I heard it described by a filia team member) with the most divisive thing possible. It was so disrespectful, not just to Jewish women there (though that would've been enough), but also to all the other attendees and speakers, and to her fellow authors of the book, whose work she has sabotaged.

Imnobody4 · 13/10/2025 21:43

CornflakeGirlsClub · 13/10/2025 20:02

The fucking egos on these people! I don’t give a fuck what Rahila Gupta thinks about Palestine. I can hear ‘from the river to the sea’ at every toxic fucking student union / trade union / male-dominated misogynistic gathering of pricks about.

A lot of ordinary women travelled miles and paid money they couldn’t afford to attend this event, and you’ve got a minority of self-important attention seekng jack arses and a few juvenile social media warriors sabotaging it. Just fuck off and let the grown-ups speak next time, will ya!

Edited

Totally agree it's just self indulgent posturing. No self awareness at all.

Thingybob · 13/10/2025 21:21

I've just realised that Filia sent out an email yesterday with a link to a feedback form so have now given them my thoughts.

Shinyredbicycle · 13/10/2025 20:20

That is a great idea - the more feminist conferences the better.

EmpressaurusKitty · 13/10/2025 20:16

MurkyWeather2 · 13/10/2025 20:14

I'd pay to attend that. Can we have Jo Bartosch too?

And Sheila Jeffreys.

MurkyWeather2 · 13/10/2025 20:14

Dopeydoraz · 13/10/2025 18:00

Julia long, Tinsel Angel, Jean Hatchet, Aja and Dj Lippy should create their own event. Many of us would enjoying pulling it apart

I'd pay to attend that. Can we have Jo Bartosch too?

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