Why are so many GC women pro-Israel?

Why not appreciate that it's more complex than you realised and you can be a religious feminist?

This is why I don't call myself a feminist; so I can't be regularly accused of doing it wrong for one reason or another😁

They reflect and shape the societies they are in. ...What matters is how religions are practiced.

So, one could argue that Christianity is exactly as "patriarchal' as the society that surrounds it. Why pick on Christians?

To the women in here trying to kid themselves that Christianity falls into that category though… just why? Just accept that you’ve chosen a patriarchal religion for whatever reason and move on.

OP 🙁, I'm an atheist. I don't believe in any God, based on science and logical reasoning.

As I tried to explain, although male pronouns are often used the Christian "God" is not male or female...

Why not appreciate that it's more complex than you realised and you can be a religious feminist?

I refute the extrapolated implication that 'the Arab world' does not want peace or 'these people' are so different we should not be concerned. That is a subjective interpretation.

I think she's implying that the Palestinians probably mostly don't feel guilt. I'm sure Hamas doesn't.

But I feel very uncomfortable about implications that non-Westerners in general feel extremely differently. Yes, culture creates huge differences

It almost feels like implying that 1. The war can never be concluded because the Arab world will never want peace

1. These people are so different from us that we should be less concerned for them.

Yes, ofc we should have no sympathy AT ALL for Hamas. But people in Gaza being v different, having hateful opinions, true for many...they should still be treated with basic human dignity. I don't know enough to know if Israel's approach right now is the only possible one, maybe...

I really have no clue what you are talking about here, it doesn't seem to have anything to do with what I said.

I have confused the Palestine Solidarity Campaign with Palestine Action, here. Entirely my mistake and poor memory.

fanghouls.

I recommend Son of Hamas, obtainable on Amazon, for serious background information on this conflict and the mentality involved. I would like to add, I think Netanyahus actions are barbaric and do not reflect what the general population in Israel want: an end to the war and release of the remaining hostages. I have friends in Israel and that is what they've told me.

The truth is that the IRA were comprehensively defeated by the British security services and their own people fed up with them, which is when they sat down for serious peace talks. Wars end when one side gives up. Towards the end, the IRA had more informers than activists. The same is going on in Gaza. Only comfortably off middle class students on Western campuses and in academia want this. They are like ghouls.

You are completely ridiculous OP

I'm GC and I'm neither pro Israel nor pro Palestine.

Netanyahu is a war-monger and Hamas is a death cult.

Discredited by various people who lay the blame for ME (and their own) antisemitism at Israeli feet.
I am superficially aware of 'the great game' and also somewhat aware of Russia's historic efforts to exert ideological influence in 'the west' via unions and universities. It is not my area of 'expertise'.

I guess the people of Israel and the people in Gaza, the West Bank etc have to come to some sort of agreement like the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland. Ie when both sides are sick of the blood shed and the price both sides are paying is no longer acceptable. Democracy and consideration .needs to be offered to everyone. I hope there is a large number of people on both sides who are now thinking of a ceasefire and a compromise solution.

Privilege for anyone set of people over another must be deemed unfair. There will no doubt still be people who don't agree but if their own people ie the population in Israel and the population in Gaza, the West Bank etc vote for the settlement hopefully it leaves those who won't agree isolated and voted out of power.

It may take outside guarantors or intervention to guarantee it. As the US and Britain and the Irish Government guaranteed the GFA. It must be put to a vote of all the people on both sides.

Sorry discredited by who? Are you denying Russia's meddling in the ME?

Russia is cunning, China is cunninger.

Both of them would ruthlessly deal with Islamists if troubled by them, and both are too big to care.

The west as we know it would implode with a whimper.

.....in one of many alternative universes

I dare you to post that on the citme board. (Actually it'll be insulted, it's author discredited, then eventually ignored.)

Just scanned his obituary. Interesting man.

The Protocols of Zion came out of Russia. I think we underestimate the long game being played at a global level. I wonder what would happen if Israel was eradicated, what next?

This is very true.
according to a 2014 paper by Wallace Edward Brand, “In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yury Andropov told me [said Soviet defector Major General Ion Pacepa], a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few million. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporters, the United States. No one within the American/Zionist sphere of influence should any longer feel safe.” …

The anti semitic left and Islamism goes back a long way. The seeds were germinated in Communist Russia when the Bolsheviks perceived their Muslim population as more oppressed than others and were not as harsh with them as the Christian religion. From the seventies onwards, the post colonial Marxist academics in universities glorified the "Arab resistance" especially through the influential works of Frantz Fanon and Edward Said. The Baader Meinhof terrorists and the IRA had extensive relations with the Palestinians. Leading Western and Marxist academics supported the Khomenei regime and the overthrow of the Shah. Judith Butler described Hamas and Hezbollah as "progressive revolutionaries who are part of the left." The fall of the former Communist regimes in Eastern Europe meant the only cause they had to hang their hat on were the Palestinians.

The reason why GC women are pro Israel is that logically they are not going to side with the misogynistic Islamists who run Gaza. They've also seen how the far left Hamasniks have chucked women under the bus with their pro trans stance.

Noting also:

'S is for the (UK) Socialist Workers Party: ‘The Palestinians have every right to respond in any way they choose to the violence that the Israeli state metes out to them every day. Victory to the Resistance.’ Later, as if fearing they may lose first place in this pogrom-apologist Olympics, Socialist Worker ran the headline ‘Rejoice as Palestinian resistance humiliates racist Israel’. Note that: Rejoice. On 4 November demonstrators took over Charing Cross train station concourse in London, waved Socialist Worker placards, surrounded the poppy sellers from the Royal British Legion, and chanted ‘There is only one state, Palestine ’48!’ a call for the destruction of Israel.'

That's a grim read.

Has a paragraph that is pertinent given recent actions proscribing Palestinian Solidarity:

'P is for the Palestine Solidarity Campaign. Manchester PSC released a statement on 7 October, with the pogrom ongoing and before Israel had responded,, titled ‘Manchester Supports The Palestinian Resistance’. It began ‘In a heroic move today, the Palestinian freedom fighters … broke Zionist colonial barriers and entered settlements built on stolen Palestinian land inside 48 Palestine.’ The statement continued: ‘The brave fighters gave us all a glimpse of a liberated Palestine as they took hold of entire Israeli settlements … It is our duty here to express our unconditional support to the Resistance until Palestine is free.’ A speaker at a PSC rally in Brighton said the actions of Hamas had been ‘beautiful and inspiring … we need to celebrate these acts of resistance … revolutionary violence by Palestinians is not terrorism.’ (The middle class crowd whooped.) At a PSC rally in Manchester on 8 October participants shouted for the terrorists who had been slaughtering Jews and called for the annihilation of Israel. They waved banners reading ‘Glory To Palestinian Freedom Fighters’.'

(I think the government have handled the PSC demos badly, for what its worth, but this gives a bit of background to the organisation's history).

No moral conflict among Gazans?

No moral conflict for people in 'liberal western' UK about celebrating what happened on 7/10 or smearing faeces on a memorial book to the victims?

The sentiments you posted are admirable but sadly not universal, not even in the UK - it troubles me (and possibly those who want a stable, functioning society) how widespread the hate is.