Why are so many GC women pro-Israel?

Because 'transphobic' doesn't work any more?

Oh this is a new take. So are you saying GC women are racist or Islamophobic? Why?

This is a feminist forum. It’s in the name. I’m a feminist, therefore logically atheist and frankly anti-religion. Certainly against any kind of religious nationalism (Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc.)

But surely feminism is about liberation for all women, not just the ones we agree with? The destruction of patriarchal structures, not of women and children who are conditioned by them?

I constantly see snarky comments in GC articles about Gaza and dehumanizing comments about Palestinians and Muslims generally on this board. And minimizing of the suffering of the tens of thousands of people being murdered in an internationally recognized genocide. I don’t get it. It seems out of sync with the general mumsnet feeling too - I get the impression most people on mumsnet are pretty horrified by Israel’s actions.

Does anyone else get the same impression? If so, what is the connection between being Gender Critical and being anti-Palestine? Is it just that the leftist terfs aren’t so represented here?

I’m in a feminist group in Spain and it doesn’t have the same issue at all.

Arabs spend a good deal of time killing and slaughtering each other too. Arab society is diverse and very much clan based and doesn't fit neatly into the Western ideological concepts which are imposed upon it.

There are Arab jews, as well, by the way. Certainly from what have come to be understood Arabic countries, anyway. The whole history of the Middle East is predicated on the establishment of one kingdom or empire after another.

Estimates of the total number of deaths in the Syrian civil War by various war monitors, range between 580,000 as of May 2021, and approximately 656,493 as of March 2025

Jewish immigration to the US in particular has been ridiculously successful, and Jews there are incomparably safer there than they'll ever be in Israel, however many hundreds of thousands of Arabs are slaughtered in the name of the colonial project.

I would consider left-wing to mean anti-colonialism, and a solution of one non-religious state.

Experience tells Jewish people that relying for their safety on the goodwill of people of a different faith who form a majority in the same country tends to end badly for Jewish people. Examples include 15th and 16th century Spain, and early 20th century Germany.

Wanting a country of their own in which they are the majority and hold the power is about self-preservation.

Parrot? It's been internationally recognised as Genocide.

But surely feminism is about liberation for all women, not just the ones we agree with?

That's why the utter silence of most of the women on mumsnet, about the brutality and sexual torture, israeli women were subjected to on the seventh of october, appalls me.

You first as a feminist, have you not spoken out about the rape and torture these women were subjected to?

Or do you just parrot the word genocide like all the rest.

Well, if it's any comfort, I think you sound a very reasonable, fair-minded and decent person!

On my Facebook this past 2 years I have been accused of being an antisemite and on the side of nazis for sharing a video of a woman who makes amputee dolls for Palestinian child amputees

I have been accused of being an antisemite for saying I think Benjamin Netanyahu doesn't just want peace but I think he has a Messiah complex and quoting things he's literally said himself about a "historic and spiritual mission" and that he is "very attached" to the vision of Greater Israel.

And I have been accused of being a genocide sympathiser for defending Israeli friends who have been canceled and socially ostracised for the crime of being Israeli

And I have been called Islamophobic for saying I don't want Islam to take over

Now I don't have a Facebook

We can't seem to disagree without fighting or cancelling people everything turns into an attack 😕

Mary is extremely important to a lot of Catholics. Secretly more than Jesus sometimes. She is also recognised by Muslims.

Catholicism is patriarchal but puts women on a pedestal in many ways.

"Why are so many GC women pro-Israel?"

Perhaps it is due to our ability to think things through and make up our own minds, without being influenced by the latest omnicause? We've already been traduced for wanting to protect our own sex based rights and the healthy bodies of autistic and homosexual children, so when we see the bodies of raped young women thrown into the back of pickup trucks and driven through howling joyous mobs celebrating their horrible fate we find it easy to pick a side?
Perhaps it is because a lot of us are lesbians, so we respect Israel as the only democratic country in the region that protects the rights of homosexuals?
Perhaps it is because we are female and feel outrage and horror that babies were strangled and burnt alive by mobs of feral armed men who invaded their homes?
I dunno, perhaps we just don't fit in with the baying mobs of Jew haters that have been allowed to spoil London for normal people?

Religions are man-made. They reflect and shape the societies they are in. So it really doesn’t matter if there is a female or sexless god running the universe after all. What matters is how religions are practiced.

I read that in societies where gods are female, childcare is often evenly shared; less so when gods are mixed sex; and even less where gods are thought of as male. So yeah, I guess you could have a feminist society with a goddess worshiping religion.

To the women in here trying to kid themselves that Christianity falls into that category though… just why? Just accept that you’ve chosen a patriarchal religion for whatever reason and move on. I don’t know much about Hinduism but it doesn’t seem to be working out great for Indian women.

@WishSheWouldGoAway I think it should be obvious that I’m against sexual violence of any form especially as a weapon of war. I don’t think 50 deaths per person in revenge is proportionate response. You do?

Anyway, I’m not trying to make an argument about Palestine here. I’m asking for people’s feelings on the correlation (or not) on this board.

@Catabogus I think you have a point about a reaction to forced teaming on the other side.

But I think that’s one thing I find especially depressing about it. For me, suddenly finding myself the “bad guy” for being GC made me realize how important it is to think critically about all issues rather than just accept the team view.

Why not appreciate that it's more complex than you realised and you can be a religious feminist?

This is why I don't call myself a feminist; so I can't be regularly accused of doing it wrong for one reason or another😁

To the women in here trying to kid themselves that Christianity falls into that category though… just why? Just accept that you’ve chosen a patriarchal religion for whatever reason and move on.

How about you accept that other women have views of religion different from yours? Stop telling other women what to think and how to do feminism “correctly”.