Why are so many GC women pro-Israel?

Believing in the factual nature of biological sex is not a ‘right-wing ideology’. What you fail to understand is that the women on this board simply cannot be bullied by childish cries of ‘if you don’t agree with everything I say then you’re right-wing’. We don’t care. Just like the term ‘terf’ is no longer viewed as a slur, but used by people who really should still be in the playground. Carry on with your juvenile name calling, you’re just adding to the receipts of Operation Let Them Speak, which is the only reason we bother to interact with you. You peak more women every day, so thank you.

You are seeing what you are, OP, because people are captured by ring-wing ideology, further inflamed by places like MN and the posters' beloved Daily Mail.

People are anti-trans (which is not necessarily the same thing as pro-women), anti-migrant, and/or anti-Palestine largely due to the same - delusional - mindset.

Eh, junk yard dogs gonna guard junk…

@Howseitgoin is perfectly clear, rational, and thoughtful. You, as evidenced by your response to them, not so much.

Well done. You’re doing great today. Now don’t forget to change your typing hand, antibac your keyboard and mouse, open your window and drink some water. You’ll feel better and be able to think more clearly. Soon you might be able to compose sane posts. #hygieneworks

Well done. You’re doing great today. Now don’t forget to change your typing hand, antibac your keyboard and mouse, open your window and drink some water. You’ll feel better and be able to think more clearly. Soon you might be able to compose sane posts. #hygieneworks

This is a feminist forum. It’s in the name. I’m a feminist, therefore logically atheist and frankly anti-religion. Certainly against any kind of religious nationalism (Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc.)

But surely feminism is about liberation for all women, not just the ones we agree with? The destruction of patriarchal structures, not of women and children who are conditioned by them?

I constantly see snarky comments in GC articles about Gaza and dehumanizing comments about Palestinians and Muslims generally on this board. And minimizing of the suffering of the tens of thousands of people being murdered in an internationally recognized genocide. I don’t get it. It seems out of sync with the general mumsnet feeling too - I get the impression most people on mumsnet are pretty horrified by Israel’s actions.

Does anyone else get the same impression? If so, what is the connection between being Gender Critical and being anti-Palestine? Is it just that the leftist terfs aren’t so represented here?

I’m in a feminist group in Spain and it doesn’t have the same issue at all.

I suspect the GC 'sympathy' to Israel is the same as it is for far right men: Islamophobia & white supremacy. They all perceive Israel as a bulwark to the 'invading' 'barbarians' they no doubt fear in the UK. So its a matter of projecting their own phobias. The sad reality is that feminism & racism are not mutually exclusive & why would it not be? Feminists are vulnerable to in group out group loyalties just like any other group.

GC thought leaders Magdalen Berns, Helen Joyce & Posie Parker (all who are supported by JKR) have voiced belief in far right Great White Replacement theory in various forms claiming that transgenderism is a 'jewish billionaire plot to sterilise white girls' in order to accelerate 'browning' whiteness.

Let's also not forget that although GC's claim to be feminists whose foundational premise is supposed to be self determination this is contradicted by their denial of it for trans people. So given self determination is conditional for them, suffice to say they don't really believe in the principle just like Zionist fascists don't. IE there's a commonality in ideological beliefs & it starts with an F & ends with a T.

This is a feminist forum. It’s in the name. I’m a feminist, therefore logically atheist and frankly anti-religion. Certainly against any kind of religious nationalism (Christian, Hindu, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, etc.)

But surely feminism is about liberation for all women, not just the ones we agree with? The destruction of patriarchal structures, not of women and children who are conditioned by them?

I constantly see snarky comments in GC articles about Gaza and dehumanizing comments about Palestinians and Muslims generally on this board. And minimizing of the suffering of the tens of thousands of people being murdered in an internationally recognized genocide. I don’t get it. It seems out of sync with the general mumsnet feeling too - I get the impression most people on mumsnet are pretty horrified by Israel’s actions.

Does anyone else get the same impression? If so, what is the connection between being Gender Critical and being anti-Palestine? Is it just that the leftist terfs aren’t so represented here?

I’m in a feminist group in Spain and it doesn’t have the same issue at all.

The UN is not to be taken seriously, unfortunately. It has had its day.

The Left has always bundled causes too much, but it's really lost its mind in recent years.

Agreed. I saw a leaflet the other day calling for people to come together for 'action'. The groups listed were

LGBTQIA+
Palestine
Climate activism
Trade Unions
Globalisation
BLM

It's like a pic and mix all thrown in together and you must whole heartedly agree with them on all points or you're a bigot.

Agreed. I saw a leaflet the other day calling for people to come together for 'action'. The groups listed were

LGBTQIA+
Palestine
Climate activism
Trade Unions
Globalisation
BLM

It's like a pic and mix all thrown in together and you must whole heartedly agree with them on all points or you're a bigot.

Rather women who have been subject to the abuses of 'progressivism' with the accusations of nazism, phobia etc - are more inclined to perceive subsequent issues through a more balanced lens.than through the continual demonisation of Israel.

All those who chanted 'fascist' at women meeting to speak, are now screaming 'fascist' at jews and anyone who supports Israel's right to exist. They got bored with gluing themselves to the road for climate change. Gaza is the next big mania and anti Israel hatred its language.

Absolutely, being a a Zionist is the default GC & feminist position.

How do Palestinian men treat Palestinian women, not to mention how they treated Jewish women on October 7th.

In Israel women have full human rights.

I know which situation is better for women.

People in the West Bank and in Gaza have long been more threatend with violence by their own leaders and authorities and the mafia like clans that enforce their rules. Hamas was elected in Gaza in 2006, almost 20 years ago, and maintains order and discipline through summary executions and through punishment beatings; and by the application of the most severe forms of sharia law.

"Hamas has used strict and authoritarian methods of control, applying its own interpretations of strict sharia law, enforcing gender segregation in public, controlling the media, repressing any political opposition and eliminating all mechanisms of transparency and accountability.

Numerous reports have detailed human rights abuses conducted by Hamas against Palestinian civilians, including arbitrary detention, torture, punishment beatings and the death penalty. A report in 2018 from 'Human Rights Watch' found that similar human rights abuse was just as common in the West Bank under the Fatah-led PA. Hamas also is also accused of harassing journalists who criticise its government".

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/27/hamas-executed-palestinians-under-cover-gaza-conflict-amnesty

'Damning report by rights group claims Hamas also carried out other horrific abuses in 2014 as it ‘ruthlessly settled scores’ with opponents"

Yes, the Middle East is a phenomenally dangerous place by Western standards, Jews can never be nearly as safe there as they would be in Western Europe or the US. But they're still very safe by Middle Eastern standards. Much (much much) safer than Palestinians.